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Post by Xan » Sun Nov 10, 2019 3:11 pm

europeanwizard wrote:
Sun Nov 10, 2019 1:58 am
I checked what Harry Browne had to say on the subject:
Governments invariably call upon their citizens to cooperate in efforts for the "public good." They want you to sacrifice to help solve economic crises, foreign-trade problems, and military conflicts; but these things were caused originally by government intervention. Even so, the calls can seem compelling, and social pressure can build on behalf of patriotic efforts. I don't believe that you do anything for your country by fighting in a war (any war), giving up your money, or sacrificing in any way.
Harry was certainly wise in many ways, but he also held some extreme positions that he later walked back. I hope the above is in that category. I don't know how one can say that with a straight face.
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Post by vnatale » Sun Nov 10, 2019 4:08 pm

Xan wrote:
Sun Nov 10, 2019 3:11 pm
europeanwizard wrote:
Sun Nov 10, 2019 1:58 am
I checked what Harry Browne had to say on the subject:
Governments invariably call upon their citizens to cooperate in efforts for the "public good." They want you to sacrifice to help solve economic crises, foreign-trade problems, and military conflicts; but these things were caused originally by government intervention. Even so, the calls can seem compelling, and social pressure can build on behalf of patriotic efforts. I don't believe that you do anything for your country by fighting in a war (any war), giving up your money, or sacrificing in any way.
Harry was certainly wise in many ways, but he also held some extreme positions that he later walked back. I hope the above is in that category. I don't know how one can say that with a straight face.
I don't know from where that quote was taken but it was his same position in his book regarding how to be free in an unfree world.

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Re: Familiar?

Post by Xan » Sun Nov 10, 2019 10:48 pm

vnatale wrote:
Sun Nov 10, 2019 4:08 pm
Xan wrote:
Sun Nov 10, 2019 3:11 pm
europeanwizard wrote:
Sun Nov 10, 2019 1:58 am
I checked what Harry Browne had to say on the subject:
Harry was certainly wise in many ways, but he also held some extreme positions that he later walked back. I hope the above is in that category. I don't know how one can say that with a straight face.
I don't know from where that quote was taken but it was his same position in his book regarding how to be free in an unfree world.

Vinny
And he walked back some of those positions as well, I'm particularly thinking of the one on marriage.
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Re: Familiar?

Post by Kriegsspiel » Mon Nov 11, 2019 11:02 am

dualstow wrote:
Sun Nov 10, 2019 12:28 pm
Potentially sensitive question here, Kriegsspiel. Did you encounter anyone actively trying to recruit neo-Nazis? I would think that most of that happens in the States, and then recruits may decide to enlist to get training and perhaps fighting experience. Probably no time for that once one is on a tour of duty.

You always hear about them in the military and the police force, but I have no anecdotal experience. There were two guys I bumped into at a shooting range, but I didn't know them well enough to ask.

For what it's worth, I'm a support the troops kind of guy. That even includes skinheads, as long as they're fighting for the country.
Nope, not at all. The only thing I remember was reading one article about gang & drug cartel members joining the military for the training, then bringing it back to their gang/cartel. But again, that was just one thing I read about. Never noticed anything akin to what you're referencing in the military.
I do wonder if any of them accidentally form friendships with blacks and other non-whites whom they wouldn't befriend back home, or if they just behave and tolerate those they don't like while serving in the army, marines, etc.
I think you're thinking of the plot to American History X ;D
Some 5500 years ago, before writing was invented to record it, the people of the city of Hamoukar, near rich copper mines, were subjected to the first known instance of urban warfare when an army from the city of Uruk attacked and fought their way through the streets, killing most everyone.
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Post by dualstow » Mon Nov 11, 2019 1:35 pm

LoL, well Edward Norton has been making the rounds on news channels lately. And I made a fight club reference last week. Maybe there was something subconscious brewing.
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Re: Familiar?

Post by sophie » Wed Nov 13, 2019 8:23 am

Just so long as you don't start raiding liposuction clinics and making soap.
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Re: Familiar?

Post by dualstow » Wed Nov 13, 2019 9:06 am

sophie wrote:
Wed Nov 13, 2019 8:23 am
Just so long as you don't start raiding liposuction clinics and making soap.
That was a brilliant plot point.
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Re: Familiar?

Post by Kbg » Fri Nov 15, 2019 10:48 am

I’m a retired military guy and I have a seriously difficult time with the confederate and nazi flag thing regardless of someone having served or not...probably more so. It’s like a giant bird finger. As Grant said: I felt like anything rather than rejoicing at the downfall of a foe who had fought so long and valiantly, and had suffered so much for a cause, though that cause was, I believe, one of the worst for which a people ever fought, and one for which there was the least excuse.
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Re: Familiar?

Post by vnatale » Fri Nov 15, 2019 11:18 am

Kbg wrote:
Fri Nov 15, 2019 10:48 am
I’m a retired military guy and I have a seriously difficult time with the confederate and nazi flag thing regardless of someone having served or not...probably more so. It’s like a giant bird finger. As Grant said: I felt like anything rather than rejoicing at the downfall of a foe who had fought so long and valiantly, and had suffered so much for a cause, though that cause was, I believe, one of the worst for which a people ever fought, and one for which there was the least excuse.
Is this the exact quote? It seemed like a word is missing. Otherwise I cannot understand whether he was for or against respecting the foe.

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Re: Familiar?

Post by Xan » Fri Nov 15, 2019 11:51 am

vnatale wrote:
Fri Nov 15, 2019 11:18 am
I felt like anything rather than rejoicing at the downfall
Meaning, he didn't feel at all like rejoicing.
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Re: Familiar?

Post by dualstow » Fri Nov 15, 2019 3:23 pm

Google it, Vinny, and you will see.
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