Gyroscopic Investing

Libertarian666 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 12:16 pm

vnatale wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 9:50 am

Libertarian666 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 9:43 am

No, there is a rebuttable presumption. To use MBTI terminology, most women are Fs, and most men are Ts. Thus, when dealing with a woman whom you know nothing else about, it is wise to assume that she is an F, which means that she makes decisions primarily via emotion rather than thought. With an otherwise unknown man, you can generally assume that he will make decisions primarily based on thought rather than emotion.

Of course once you are acquainted with a particular person it's usually not hard to figure out his/her preference in this matter, so then the presumption is either confirmed or refuted.



Please cite an example of such a culture.

I have loved the Myers Briggs. When I introduced to it over 30 years ago it became an avocation for several years. I ended up formally or informally testing over 100 people. But I later read (and was convinced) that it really has no scientific basis.

I have found it extremely useful in predicting how people will react to various stimuli.

Libertarian666 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 9:31 am And, I've just recently read (and, been convinced) that deep down, for major decisions just about all of all decide based upon how we feel.

Most people do.

Libertarian666 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 9:31 am No such culture exists because I don't believe there are any female dominated cultures or neutral cultures. Are there any that are not predominantly male run?

The US is female dominated. If you don't believe me, spend a day in divorce court and watch men being shredded, or watch what happens to any man who is accused of doing anything inappropriate to a woman, with or without any evidence that it even occurred (especially if the man isn't a Democrat).

Or take a look at the applications for obtaining or renewing a professional license such as an insurance license. If you are behind on child support payments, expect to have your license revoked even though this has absolutely nothing to do with your qualifications for selling insurance.

Here's a description of some of the disadvantages of being male in the US today: https://menslaws.com/men-now-officially ... izens-now/

dualstow wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 12:20 pm

Kriegsspiel wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 10:36 am LOL, I just googled the author of Gender And Our Brains, Gina Rippon. She calls the book I recommended, The Female Brain, neurotrash I'll see if I can get a hold of Rippon's book though, since I would like to see what she says.

Sounds like something out of a William Gibson novel.

the citing of Alex and Hannah be the epitome of anecdotal "proof" and entirely un-scientific? And, am I an outlier since I don't use a cell phone for talking, keep my wired phone unplugged at home, hardly ever use my office phone, preferring either email or face-to-face communications?

sweetbthescrivener wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 1:04 pm

the citing of Alex and Hannah be the epitome of anecdotal "proof" and entirely un-scientific? And, am I an outlier since I don't use a cell phone for talking, keep my wired phone unplugged at home, hardly ever use my office phone, preferring either email or face-to-face communications?

It would be if you got all your information about Baron-Cohen's research from a single short quote from an article.

I'm with Libertarian666 on this issue though, anyway.

Much more important what is happening in the courts and the actual lives of men and women than what a scientist with an ax to grind has to say.

You as well, Vinny, sound like you have already come to your conclusions, because your dismissals of opposing opinions have been on about the level of Men/Mars Women/Venus.

The woman you posted about is straw manning and you seem to be too.

jacksonm2 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 2:13 pm I'm putting this in the category of "okay, even if what you say is true, so what?"

It's hard to believe that the process of natural selection favoring a reproductive benefit wouldn't have resulted in some difference between male and female brains. But even if both males and females ended up with identical CPU's along the way, what are we supposed to do with that information?

vnatale wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 2:30 pm

jacksonm2 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 2:13 pm I'm putting this in the category of "okay, even if what you say is true, so what?"

It's hard to believe that the process of natural selection favoring a reproductive benefit wouldn't have resulted in some difference between male and female brains. But even if both males and females ended up with identical CPU's along the way, what are we supposed to do with that information?

Not assume that certain roles / positions are male ones while others are female ones.

jacksonm2 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 2:56 pm

vnatale wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 2:30 pm

jacksonm2 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 2:13 pm I'm putting this in the category of "okay, even if what you say is true, so what?"

It's hard to believe that the process of natural selection favoring a reproductive benefit wouldn't have resulted in some difference between male and female brains. But even if both males and females ended up with identical CPU's along the way, what are we supposed to do with that information?

Not assume that certain roles / positions are male ones while others are female ones.

I think we're pretty close to already being there. Just look at doctors and lawyers.

In my profession as a software engineer I did not find this to be true at all but it wasn't always that way. It was before my time which is saying a lot since I started programming computers in the 70's, but I've read that there was a time when women dominated my field.

I do tend to think that women will always excel at being mothers however and there is nothing we can do about that.

Mountaineer wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 3:04 pm

jacksonm2 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 2:56 pm

vnatale wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 2:30 pm

Not assume that certain roles / positions are male ones while others are female ones.

I think we're pretty close to already being there. Just look at doctors and lawyers.

In my profession as a software engineer I did not find this to be true at all but it wasn't always that way. It was before my time which is saying a lot since I started programming computers in the 70's, but I've read that there was a time when women dominated my field.

I do tend to think that women will always excel at being mothers however and there is nothing we can do about that.

Absolutely women's highest value vocation. Just like being a father is a man's highest value vocation. In my opinion, those who preach equality of the sexes have not though through the logic (or rather illogic) of their statements (that is said as kindly as I can). The only real equality of the sexes is in God's eyes.

vnatale wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 12:44 pm

Libertarian666 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 12:16 pm

vnatale wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 9:50 am

I have loved the Myers Briggs. When I introduced to it over 30 years ago it became an avocation for several years. I ended up formally or informally testing over 100 people. But I later read (and was convinced) that it really has no scientific basis.

I have found it extremely useful in predicting how people will react to various stimuli.

Libertarian666 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 9:31 am And, I've just recently read (and, been convinced) that deep down, for major decisions just about all of all decide based upon how we feel.

Most people do.

Libertarian666 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 9:31 am No such culture exists because I don't believe there are any female dominated cultures or neutral cultures. Are there any that are not predominantly male run?

The US is female dominated. If you don't believe me, spend a day in divorce court and watch men being shredded, or watch what happens to any man who is accused of doing anything inappropriate to a woman, with or without any evidence that it even occurred (especially if the man isn't a Democrat).

Or take a look at the applications for obtaining or renewing a professional license such as an insurance license. If you are behind on child support payments, expect to have your license revoked even though this has absolutely nothing to do with your qualifications for selling insurance.

Here's a description of some of the disadvantages of being male in the US today: https://menslaws.com/men-now-officially ... izens-now/

Correct me if I'm wrong but is it not men who are in the vast majority in the Senate, Congress, the upper echelons of the military, partners of the Big 4 Accounting firms, similar largest law firms, largest business consulting organizations...and so on?

sweetbthescrivener wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 11:55 am A counterpoint to her ideas might be the work of Simon Baron Cohen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEYy1GXaNNY

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2003/ ... ianreview6

Why do most men use the phone to exchange information rather than have a chat? Why do so many women love talking about their feelings and relationships? We may suspect profound differences between the sexes but do they stand up to scientific scrutiny?

Simon Baron-Cohen argues that men's and women's brains are made differently: the female brain is hard-wired for empathy, and the male to understand and build systems. Take brother and sister Alex and Hannah. Alex's mother remembers that, as a toddler, he loved toy tractors and fire engines and would happily sit for hours prodding and pressing objects just to see what would happen. By the age of five he was obsessed with compiling football stickers. Music came later - naturally he drew up his own pop charts and stored his tapes in strict order - and in his teens he quickly mastered computers. His mother recalls that the interests just "seemed to come from deep within him". Alex, Baron-Cohen says, has a typical systemising, male or "S" type brain.



Hannah's big passion was people. Even in her early years she loved making them laugh and smile. Hannah learned to talk earlier than her brother and plastered her walls with pictures of kittens and foals. As a teenager she also loved pop music, but rather than carefully cataloguing it, she would dance and sing in front of the mirror with her friends. "She's really good at asking people sensitive questions so that she can explore how they're feeling," her mother says. Baron-Cohen says Hannah has an empathic, female or "E" type brain.

Though I have the feeling that Rippon would respond by saying who are you going to believe, me or Ali G's brother?

Baron-Cohen popped into my head when I first came across this thread, and what do you know, the two have already debated:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31c48XUtwVg