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My Democtratic candidate grades!

Post by vnatale » Sat Nov 02, 2019 11:25 am

I put on C-Span this morning and they had on the Democratic candidates speaking in Iowa.

My grades (without comment) for each I heard in order:

Joe Biden - F
Andrew Yang - B
Elizabeth Warren - C-
Kamala Harris - C-
Tom Steyer - A

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Post by pugchief » Sat Nov 02, 2019 1:05 pm

Since Steyer and Yang have virtually zero chance of becoming the eventual nominee, what cognitive dissonance will get you to vote for Biden or Warren considering the grade you have given them? The only other one with a prayer is Sanders, and I believe you said in another thread that you dislike him as well.
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Post by jacksonm2 » Sat Nov 02, 2019 2:07 pm

pugchief wrote:
Sat Nov 02, 2019 1:05 pm
Since Steyer and Yang have virtually zero chance of becoming the eventual nominee, what cognitive dissonance will get you to vote for Biden or Warren considering the grade you have given them? The only other one with a prayer is Sanders, and I believe you said in another thread that you dislike him as well.
If an avowed socialist becomes the Dem nominee that would certainly be a watershed moment in American politics, wouldn't it? And if he actually won the presidency? OMFG - my how times have changed.
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Post by vnatale » Sat Nov 02, 2019 2:52 pm

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Sat Nov 02, 2019 1:05 pm
Since Steyer and Yang have virtually zero chance of becoming the eventual nominee, what cognitive dissonance will get you to vote for Biden or Warren considering the grade you have given them? The only other one with a prayer is Sanders, and I believe you said in another thread that you dislike him as well.
Since Trump also gets an F (as does Bernie and Biden) I have stated that if it comes down two either Bernie or Biden against Trump, I'm voting for the best third party candidate.

I'd vote for either Warren or Harris if they were against Trump. But my other three A's are Klobuchar, Gabbard, and Buttigieg. So, there is still hope one of them prevails over both Warren and Harris.

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Post by Cortopassi » Sat Nov 02, 2019 5:59 pm

Mayor Pete is my choice. I prefer a well spoken nice guy type president.

And ones a few decades younger than the rest of the front runners!
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Post by dualstow » Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:25 pm

Cortopassi wrote:
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Mayor Pete is my choice. I prefer a well spoken nice guy type president.

And ones a few decades younger than the rest of the front runners!
Very likeable fellow.
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Post by Kriegsspiel » Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:35 pm

Articulate, likeable fellows are people you want as neighbors, or the head of the PTA. I don't see them succeeding as the head of a country.
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Articulate, likeable fellows are people you want as neighbors, or the head of the PTA. I don't see them succeeding as the head of a country.
I take it you give Obama a D or an F?
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Post by vnatale » Sat Nov 02, 2019 7:02 pm

Cortopassi wrote:
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Mayor Pete is my choice. I prefer a well spoken nice guy type president.

And ones a few decades younger than the rest of the front runners!
And, is it me, or does it seem that he spend more time on what he can provide rather than holding himself up as who you have to vote for so as to no longer have Trump?

Seemed like that was all I heard Biden talk about today. Why we had to vote for him so as to end the Reign of Trump.

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Post by vnatale » Sat Nov 02, 2019 7:06 pm

dualstow wrote:
Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:51 pm
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Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:35 pm
Articulate, likeable fellows are people you want as neighbors, or the head of the PTA. I don't see them succeeding as the head of a country.
I take it you give Obama a D or an F?
I know your question was not directed at me. But I give Obama an A but I never totally got the articulate part. Maybe in comparison to his predecessor? But I oftentimes heard in his speech patterns (and, I am referring to when he was NOT giving a prepared speech) a lot of verbal tics - the "Ums".

That always told me that he was being arrogant in believing that he was so smart that he did not have to prepare and those verbal tics were giving him time to quickly think of an answer to a question he was unprepared to answer.

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Post by Libertarian666 » Sun Nov 03, 2019 12:44 pm

vnatale wrote:
Sat Nov 02, 2019 11:25 am
I put on C-Span this morning and they had on the Democratic candidates speaking in Iowa.

My grades (without comment) for each I heard in order:

Joe Biden - F
Andrew Yang - B
Elizabeth Warren - C-
Kamala Harris - C-
Tom Steyer - A

Vinny
My grades:

Joe Biden - F
Andrew Yang - F
Elizabeth Warren - F
Kamala Harris - F
Tom Steyer - F

Tulsi Gabbard - D, because even though she is a gun-grabbing commie, she doesn't seem as insane as the rest.

The rest of the clowns - F
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Post by Mountaineer » Sun Nov 03, 2019 1:39 pm

vnatale wrote:
Sat Nov 02, 2019 7:06 pm
dualstow wrote:
Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:51 pm
Kriegsspiel wrote:
Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:35 pm
Articulate, likeable fellows are people you want as neighbors, or the head of the PTA. I don't see them succeeding as the head of a country.
I take it you give Obama a D or an F?
I know your question was not directed at me. But I give Obama an A but I never totally got the articulate part. Maybe in comparison to his predecessor? But I oftentimes heard in his speech patterns (and, I am referring to when he was NOT giving a prepared speech) a lot of verbal tics - the "Ums".

That always told me that he was being arrogant in believing that he was so smart that he did not have to prepare and those verbal tics were giving him time to quickly think of an answer to a question he was unprepared to answer.

Vinny
I agree with your analysis of Obama's articulateness (i.e. massive ego) thus I'd rate him a D on articulateness. However, I give Obama a solid F on likeable. He is the only person in my 7 plus decades that actually made me sick at my stomach to watch or listen to. I can't really explain it but he evoked an absolutely visceral body response. My personal response to Obama helps me better understand those who have TDS.
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Post by vnatale » Sun Nov 03, 2019 4:24 pm

Libertarian666 wrote:
Sun Nov 03, 2019 12:44 pm
vnatale wrote:
Sat Nov 02, 2019 11:25 am
I put on C-Span this morning and they had on the Democratic candidates speaking in Iowa.

My grades (without comment) for each I heard in order:

Joe Biden - F
Andrew Yang - B
Elizabeth Warren - C-
Kamala Harris - C-
Tom Steyer - A

Vinny
My grades:

Joe Biden - F
Andrew Yang - F
Elizabeth Warren - F
Kamala Harris - F
Tom Steyer - F

Tulsi Gabbard - D, because even though she is a gun-grabbing commie, she doesn't seem as insane as the rest.

The rest of the clowns - F
WHY was I NOT surprised with ANY of your grades??!!!

Now how about this? Can you give your grades for any of the Republican candidates during the 2016 primaries? Curious to see how they rank with you and how they might differ. At this point, I could not guess as all I know is your opinion of Trump.

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Post by vnatale » Sun Nov 03, 2019 4:33 pm

Mountaineer wrote:
Sun Nov 03, 2019 1:39 pm
vnatale wrote:
Sat Nov 02, 2019 7:06 pm
dualstow wrote:
Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:51 pm


I take it you give Obama a D or an F?
I know your question was not directed at me. But I give Obama an A but I never totally got the articulate part. Maybe in comparison to his predecessor? But I oftentimes heard in his speech patterns (and, I am referring to when he was NOT giving a prepared speech) a lot of verbal tics - the "Ums".

That always told me that he was being arrogant in believing that he was so smart that he did not have to prepare and those verbal tics were giving him time to quickly think of an answer to a question he was unprepared to answer.

Vinny
I agree with your analysis of Obama's articulateness (i.e. massive ego) thus I'd rate him a D on articulateness. However, I give Obama a solid F on likeable. He is the only person in my 7 plus decades that actually made me sick at my stomach to watch or listen to. I can't really explain it but he evoked an absolutely visceral body response. My personal response to Obama helps me better understand those who have TDS.
I actually voted for Hillary rather than him in the primary. But from his election to the end I was quite happy with him. Upon his becoming president my personal revelation was that he was now just hired to be our president and, though I was sure to disagree with some things he would do in the future, I was content that he had that position as I believe he was well equipped to handle this job. All the opposite ways I felt with his predecessor.

Speaking of revelation. I noticed that you had a Book of Revelation reference 22:6-21. I assume that had no bearing to your Obama comments and something you always have and which I just first noticed? I read its verses twice and I did not see how it paralleled what you wrote above regarding Obama above.

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Post by dualstow » Sun Nov 03, 2019 4:52 pm

That’s Mountaineer’s sig line. Remember you asked how my old posts could have current news at the bottom and without edits? And I pointed you to the signature in control panel. That Revelations reference will be at the end of all of M’s posts unless he changes it.
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Post by vnatale » Sun Nov 03, 2019 7:35 pm

dualstow wrote:
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That’s Mountaineer’s sig line. Remember you asked how my old posts could have current news at the bottom and without edits? And I pointed you to the signature in control panel. That Revelations reference will be at the end of all of M’s posts unless he changes it.
Okay I understand that is Mountaineer's FIXED signature line. But how do you have a dynamic one? You did answer me but it seemed like somehow yours must be connected to some URL and not just static words?

Thanks

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Apparently Libertarian666 and I are twins separated at birth. :)
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I Shrugged wrote:
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Apparently Libertarian666 and I are twins separated at birth. :)
That's not terribly surprising considering your username and avatar. :D
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Post by dualstow » Sun Nov 03, 2019 8:56 pm

Well at least you gave Rick Santorum an F. :)
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Okay I understand that is Mountaineer's FIXED signature line. But how do you have a dynamic one? You did answer me but it seemed like somehow yours must be connected to some URL and not just static words?
Not linked. I just change mine more often than most people do.
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Post by vnatale » Sun Nov 03, 2019 9:01 pm

Libertarian666 wrote:
Sun Nov 03, 2019 8:16 pm
vnatale wrote:
Sun Nov 03, 2019 4:24 pm
Libertarian666 wrote:
Sun Nov 03, 2019 12:44 pm


My grades:

Joe Biden - F
Andrew Yang - F
Elizabeth Warren - F
Kamala Harris - F
Tom Steyer - F

Tulsi Gabbard - D, because even though she is a gun-grabbing commie, she doesn't seem as insane as the rest.

The rest of the clowns - F
WHY was I NOT surprised with ANY of your grades??!!!

Now how about this? Can you give your grades for any of the Republican candidates during the 2016 primaries? Curious to see how they rank with you and how they might differ. At this point, I could not guess as all I know is your opinion of Trump.

Vinny
Sure, here are my ratings for the ones who were in at least two debates:

Rand Paul: A-
Trump: B
Ted Cruz: B-

Ben Carson: C
Mike Huckabee: C

John Kasich: D
Marco Rubio: D
Carly Fiorina: D

Jeb Bush: F
Chris Christie: F
Rick Santorum: F

Jim Gilmore: who?
I think I can see the similarities between the ones in your groupings. The only one that had any appeal for me was Rand Paul. And, part of that may have been because of his father, who I had no criticism of other than him choosing to be a Republican.

I generally have never liked Santorum. However, he was on C-Span a few weeks ago talking about paid family leave for the country (As of October 1st we are just having to pay for Family / Medical leave with it becoming available for use on January 1, 2021). I listened to all he had to say. And, I was astounded that I agreed with just about all he had to say. He was pushing for a targeted approach rather than the typical "free college for everyone" approach. I was so impressed that I sent him a Tweet saying that although I'd always been opposed to all he had to say in the past he had really thrown out a ton of gems of wisdom during the 45 minute discussion on C-Span.

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Post by vnatale » Sun Nov 03, 2019 9:03 pm

dualstow wrote:
Sun Nov 03, 2019 8:56 pm
Well at least you gave Rick Santorum an F. :)
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Okay I understand that is Mountaineer's FIXED signature line. But how do you have a dynamic one? You did answer me but it seemed like somehow yours must be connected to some URL and not just static words?
Not linked. I just change mine more often than most people do.
Now I finally understand. It changed so often I just assumed it was somehow a dynamic signature. But it also changes all your signatures from all prior posts? That is somewhat unusual.

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Post by dualstow » Mon Nov 04, 2019 7:08 am

Yup, only one signature at a time. It’s a sitewide change. Same deal with all forums, as far as I know.
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Post by Don » Fri Nov 08, 2019 12:25 am

Libertarian666 wrote:
Sun Nov 03, 2019 12:44 pm
vnatale wrote:
Sat Nov 02, 2019 11:25 am
I put on C-Span this morning and they had on the Democratic candidates speaking in Iowa.

My grades (without comment) for each I heard in order:

Joe Biden - F
Andrew Yang - B
Elizabeth Warren - C-
Kamala Harris - C-
Tom Steyer - A

Vinny
My grades:

Joe Biden - F
Andrew Yang - F
Elizabeth Warren - F
Kamala Harris - F
Tom Steyer - F

Tulsi Gabbard - D, because even though she is a gun-grabbing commie, she doesn't seem as insane as the rest.

The rest of the clowns - F
These grades are way too high.
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Post by vnatale » Fri Nov 08, 2019 9:33 am

Don wrote:
Fri Nov 08, 2019 12:25 am
Libertarian666 wrote:
Sun Nov 03, 2019 12:44 pm
vnatale wrote:
Sat Nov 02, 2019 11:25 am
I put on C-Span this morning and they had on the Democratic candidates speaking in Iowa.

My grades (without comment) for each I heard in order:

Joe Biden - F
Andrew Yang - B
Elizabeth Warren - C-
Kamala Harris - C-
Tom Steyer - A

Vinny
My grades:

Joe Biden - F
Andrew Yang - F
Elizabeth Warren - F
Kamala Harris - F
Tom Steyer - F

Tulsi Gabbard - D, because even though she is a gun-grabbing commie, she doesn't seem as insane as the rest.

The rest of the clowns - F
These grades are way too high.
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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