Is Trump doing a good job?

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Re: Is Trump doing a good job?

Post by dualstow » Fri Mar 27, 2020 11:48 am

Only tangentially about Trump: John Kerry agreeing with him. There *is* a tear in the fabric of the universe.

Kerry tweeted:
Breaking news: Congressman Massie has tested positive for being an asshole. He must be quarantined to prevent the spread of his massive stupidity. He's given new meaning to the term #Masshole. (Finally, something the president and I can agree on!)
https://twitter.com/JohnKerry/status/12 ... 38464?s=20
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Re: Is Trump doing a good job?

Post by Tortoise » Fri Mar 27, 2020 12:08 pm

A few questions:
  • Why is Trump focusing on producing more ventilators rather than more tests and treatments (e.g., hydrochloroquine)? If CV patients are treated and get better quickly, the vast majority of them won't end up on ventilators.
  • If we look at the nations that have handled their CV outbreaks most effectively thus far (such as South Korea), didn't their effectiveness come largely from their early, widespread testing and tracking -- not from massive numbers of ventilators?
  • Whether we decide to focus on producing more tests, treatments, or ventilators, why does Trump need to convince companies via Twitter to help? Why not invoke wartime powers to forcibly convert certain factories immediately? This pandemic is a world war with a virus, is it not?
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Re: Is Trump doing a good job?

Post by vnatale » Fri Mar 27, 2020 12:11 pm

Tortoise wrote:
Fri Mar 27, 2020 12:08 pm
A few questions:
  • Why is Trump focusing on producing more ventilators rather than more tests and treatments (e.g., hydrochloroquine)? If CV patients are treated and get better quickly, the vast majority of them won't end up on ventilators.
  • If we look at the nations that have handled their CV outbreaks most effectively thus far (such as South Korea), didn't their effectiveness come largely from their early, widespread testing and tracking -- not from massive numbers of ventilators?
  • Whether we decide to focus on producing more tests, treatments, or ventilators, why does Trump need to convince companies via Twitter to help? Why not invoke wartime powers to forcibly convert certain factories immediately? This pandemic is a world war with a virus, is it not?
Generally those who operate out of their deep belief in their instincts do NOT operate out of logic!

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Re: Is Trump doing a good job?

Post by flyingpylon » Fri Mar 27, 2020 12:36 pm

Tortoise wrote:
Fri Mar 27, 2020 12:08 pm
A few questions:
  • Why is Trump focusing on producing more ventilators rather than more tests and treatments (e.g., hydrochloroquine)? If CV patients are treated and get better quickly, the vast majority of them won't end up on ventilators.
  • If we look at the nations that have handled their CV outbreaks most effectively thus far (such as South Korea), didn't their effectiveness come largely from their early, widespread testing and tracking -- not from massive numbers of ventilators?
  • Whether we decide to focus on producing more tests, treatments, or ventilators, why does Trump need to convince companies via Twitter to help? Why not invoke wartime powers to forcibly convert certain factories immediately? This pandemic is a world war with a virus, is it not?
Perhaps the processes for obtaining more tests and treatments are going much more smoothly but ventilators need the attention right now.

Perhaps he was told one thing by these companies and now he’s being told another and he’s hacked off about it.

Perhaps, like much of the world, he recognizes that public shaming via social media can be somewhat effective. How and where it’s effective may not always be obvious to us.

Just speculating of course.
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Re: Is Trump doing a good job?

Post by technovelist » Fri Mar 27, 2020 12:39 pm

Tortoise wrote:
Fri Mar 27, 2020 12:08 pm
A few questions:
  • Why is Trump focusing on producing more ventilators rather than more tests and treatments (e.g., hydrochloroquine)? If CV patients are treated and get better quickly, the vast majority of them won't end up on ventilators.
  • If we look at the nations that have handled their CV outbreaks most effectively thus far (such as South Korea), didn't their effectiveness come largely from their early, widespread testing and tracking -- not from massive numbers of ventilators?
  • Whether we decide to focus on producing more tests, treatments, or ventilators, why does Trump need to convince companies via Twitter to help? Why not invoke wartime powers to forcibly convert certain factories immediately? This pandemic is a world war with a virus, is it not?
He can walk and chew gum at the same time.
All of those things are in the works right now.
As to why he doesn't force companies to act when they are coming forward to volunteer, I'm not sure how to explain that if it isn't obvious.
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Re: Is Trump doing a good job?

Post by vnatale » Fri Mar 27, 2020 12:44 pm

technovelist wrote:
Fri Mar 27, 2020 12:39 pm
Tortoise wrote:
Fri Mar 27, 2020 12:08 pm
A few questions:
  • Why is Trump focusing on producing more ventilators rather than more tests and treatments (e.g., hydrochloroquine)? If CV patients are treated and get better quickly, the vast majority of them won't end up on ventilators.
  • If we look at the nations that have handled their CV outbreaks most effectively thus far (such as South Korea), didn't their effectiveness come largely from their early, widespread testing and tracking -- not from massive numbers of ventilators?
  • Whether we decide to focus on producing more tests, treatments, or ventilators, why does Trump need to convince companies via Twitter to help? Why not invoke wartime powers to forcibly convert certain factories immediately? This pandemic is a world war with a virus, is it not?
He can walk and chew gum at the same time.
All of those things are in the works right now.
As to why he doesn't force companies to act when they are coming forward to volunteer, I'm not sure how to explain that if it isn't obvious.
Because most effective leadership requires making orders to utilize ALL available resources, not just those volunteered.

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Re: Is Trump doing a good job?

Post by technovelist » Fri Mar 27, 2020 12:45 pm

vnatale wrote:
Fri Mar 27, 2020 12:44 pm
technovelist wrote:
Fri Mar 27, 2020 12:39 pm
Tortoise wrote:
Fri Mar 27, 2020 12:08 pm
A few questions:
  • Why is Trump focusing on producing more ventilators rather than more tests and treatments (e.g., hydrochloroquine)? If CV patients are treated and get better quickly, the vast majority of them won't end up on ventilators.
  • If we look at the nations that have handled their CV outbreaks most effectively thus far (such as South Korea), didn't their effectiveness come largely from their early, widespread testing and tracking -- not from massive numbers of ventilators?
  • Whether we decide to focus on producing more tests, treatments, or ventilators, why does Trump need to convince companies via Twitter to help? Why not invoke wartime powers to forcibly convert certain factories immediately? This pandemic is a world war with a virus, is it not?
He can walk and chew gum at the same time.
All of those things are in the works right now.
As to why he doesn't force companies to act when they are coming forward to volunteer, I'm not sure how to explain that if it isn't obvious.
Because most effective leadership requires making orders to utilize ALL available resources, not just those volunteered.

Vinny
You obviously don't understand motivation at all.
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Re: Is Trump doing a good job?

Post by Tortoise » Fri Mar 27, 2020 12:52 pm

flyingpylon wrote:
Fri Mar 27, 2020 12:36 pm
Perhaps the processes for obtaining more tests and treatments are going much more smoothly but ventilators need the attention right now.
technovelist wrote:
Fri Mar 27, 2020 12:39 pm
All of those things are in the works right now.
If ramping up production of treatments (like hydroxychloroquine) are underway and are going smoothly, have we been getting regular updates about it from the government? My understanding is that thus far, we haven’t.
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Re: Is Trump doing a good job?

Post by Tyler » Fri Mar 27, 2020 1:03 pm

Cortopassi wrote:
Fri Mar 27, 2020 10:53 am
We got a lot of engineers here, right? Why even give the impression this is doable in a quick fashion? Even if you took an existing design, you still have to source and create parts, PCBs, make tooling, test fixtures, etc, etc.
Engineer here.

The car manufacturers are not necessarily talking about managing the full ventilator production line in-house. Here's a more detailed quote that gives a better idea of what they can realistically offer on short notice:

GM said Friday that it's collaborating with Ventec Life Systems to help the company increase output of its respiratory care products, including by providing logistics, purchasing and manufacturing resources.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/ca ... 895190001/

Complex products can only be manufactured as fast as the slowest component in the line. It's all about supply chain, and that's what car manufacturers are really good at. So companies like GM can help the ventilator suppliers massively increase their own throughput.

For example, the car manufacturers have entire factories full of CNC machines that can be quickly reprogrammed literally overnight to machine any other metal part that a ventilator manufacturer needs. And they also have the supply chain technology in place to efficiently distribute those parts all around the country to where it's needed most in real time.

BTW, note that Trump is calling them out for slow-walking their own promises while driving up the price.
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Re: Is Trump doing a good job?

Post by vnatale » Fri Mar 27, 2020 1:24 pm

technovelist wrote:
Fri Mar 27, 2020 12:45 pm
vnatale wrote:
Fri Mar 27, 2020 12:44 pm
technovelist wrote:
Fri Mar 27, 2020 12:39 pm
Tortoise wrote:
Fri Mar 27, 2020 12:08 pm
A few questions:
  • Why is Trump focusing on producing more ventilators rather than more tests and treatments (e.g., hydrochloroquine)? If CV patients are treated and get better quickly, the vast majority of them won't end up on ventilators.
  • If we look at the nations that have handled their CV outbreaks most effectively thus far (such as South Korea), didn't their effectiveness come largely from their early, widespread testing and tracking -- not from massive numbers of ventilators?
  • Whether we decide to focus on producing more tests, treatments, or ventilators, why does Trump need to convince companies via Twitter to help? Why not invoke wartime powers to forcibly convert certain factories immediately? This pandemic is a world war with a virus, is it not?
He can walk and chew gum at the same time.
All of those things are in the works right now.
As to why he doesn't force companies to act when they are coming forward to volunteer, I'm not sure how to explain that if it isn't obvious.
Because most effective leadership requires making orders to utilize ALL available resources, not just those volunteered.

Vinny
You obviously don't understand motivation at all.
I'm glad you're not my manager.
I totally believe in leading by persuasion. But when that fails and the job HAS to be done then, as a last resort, you order.

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Re: Is Trump doing a good job?

Post by Mountaineer » Fri Mar 27, 2020 1:34 pm

vnatale wrote:
Fri Mar 27, 2020 1:24 pm
technovelist wrote:
Fri Mar 27, 2020 12:45 pm
vnatale wrote:
Fri Mar 27, 2020 12:44 pm
technovelist wrote:
Fri Mar 27, 2020 12:39 pm
Tortoise wrote:
Fri Mar 27, 2020 12:08 pm
A few questions:
  • Why is Trump focusing on producing more ventilators rather than more tests and treatments (e.g., hydrochloroquine)? If CV patients are treated and get better quickly, the vast majority of them won't end up on ventilators.
  • If we look at the nations that have handled their CV outbreaks most effectively thus far (such as South Korea), didn't their effectiveness come largely from their early, widespread testing and tracking -- not from massive numbers of ventilators?
  • Whether we decide to focus on producing more tests, treatments, or ventilators, why does Trump need to convince companies via Twitter to help? Why not invoke wartime powers to forcibly convert certain factories immediately? This pandemic is a world war with a virus, is it not?
He can walk and chew gum at the same time.
All of those things are in the works right now.
As to why he doesn't force companies to act when they are coming forward to volunteer, I'm not sure how to explain that if it isn't obvious.
Because most effective leadership requires making orders to utilize ALL available resources, not just those volunteered.

Vinny
You obviously don't understand motivation at all.
I'm glad you're not my manager.
I totally believe in leading by persuasion. But when that fails and the job HAS to be done then, as a last resort, you order.

Vinny
Only if you are in direct command with the power of authority to mete out severe negative consequences. I don't really think Trump is in that position. And if we get to where he does, we have far worse things to worry about than making some company make a product.
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Re: Is Trump doing a good job?

Post by shekels » Fri Mar 27, 2020 1:42 pm

vnatale wrote:
Fri Mar 27, 2020 1:24 pm
technovelist wrote:
Fri Mar 27, 2020 12:45 pm
vnatale wrote:
Fri Mar 27, 2020 12:44 pm
technovelist wrote:
Fri Mar 27, 2020 12:39 pm
Tortoise wrote:
Fri Mar 27, 2020 12:08 pm
A few questions:
  • Why is Trump focusing on producing more ventilators rather than more tests and treatments (e.g., hydrochloroquine)? If CV patients are treated and get better quickly, the vast majority of them won't end up on ventilators.
  • If we look at the nations that have handled their CV outbreaks most effectively thus far (such as South Korea), didn't their effectiveness come largely from their early, widespread testing and tracking -- not from massive numbers of ventilators?
  • Whether we decide to focus on producing more tests, treatments, or ventilators, why does Trump need to convince companies via Twitter to help? Why not invoke wartime powers to forcibly convert certain factories immediately? This pandemic is a world war with a virus, is it not?
He can walk and chew gum at the same time.
All of those things are in the works right now.
As to why he doesn't force companies to act when they are coming forward to volunteer, I'm not sure how to explain that if it isn't obvious.
Because most effective leadership requires making orders to utilize ALL available resources, not just those volunteered.

Vinny
You obviously don't understand motivation at all.
I'm glad you're not my manager.
I totally believe in leading by persuasion. But when that fails and the job HAS to be done then, as a last resort, you order.

Vinny
Wow.. This is why the 2 Amendment exists.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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