Is Trump doing a good job?

[Tortoise]

Biden insists he will debate Trump after Pelosi remarks

Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden on Thursday said that he would debate President Trump shortly after House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) suggested that Biden shouldn’t “legitimize” the incumbent president by participating in debates.

“No. As long as the commission continues down the straight now as they have, I’m going to debate him,” Biden told MSNBC’s Andrea Mitchell when asked whether he would consider not debating Trump following Pelosi’s comments.

“I am going to be the fact-checker on the stage while I’m debating him,” Biden continued.

"On the stage" seems to imply a live, in-person debate.

[Cortopassi]

Trump speech:

--Too long
--Meandering
--I've done more for black people than any president since Lincoln. I just can't get enough of that line. Civil rights act, anyone?
--No bother with social distancing and masks. Whatever you believe on that, that is the government's official position, but then you see people shoulder to shoulder with no masks, yelling and whooping it up. I understand it is maybe to send a wink wink nod nod message, but damn it is brazen to go against everything the rest of your government is telling the American people to do.

And doing it at the White House, I didn't know the "rules" but seems without precedent to hold a campaign/convention rally at government facilities, or at least that's what a lot of the talking heads were saying? And then him turning around saying it's "our house" not "their house." Yikes.

I actually really liked the speeches that were done without an audience and no interruptions from applause.

The fireworks were pretty darn amazing, though. Hope he paid for them and not us.

[vnatale]

Trump speech:

--Too long
--Meandering
--I've done more for black people than any president since Lincoln. I just can't get enough of that line. Civil rights act, anyone?
--No bother with social distancing and masks. Whatever you believe on that, that is the government's official position, but then you see people shoulder to shoulder with no masks, yelling and whooping it up. I understand it is maybe to send a wink wink nod nod message, but damn it is brazen to go against everything the rest of your government is telling the American people to do.

And doing it at the White House, I didn't know the "rules" but seems without precedent to hold a campaign/convention rally at government facilities, or at least that's what a lot of the talking heads were saying? And then him turning around saying it's "our house" not "their house." Yikes.

I actually really liked the speeches that were done without an audience and no interruptions from applause.

The fireworks were pretty darn amazing, though. Hope he paid for them and not us.

Didn't it start to sound like the typical "laundry list" State of the Union speech?

Callers of both parties are now calling in to C-Span to give their opinions of what they heard tonight.

Vinny

[shekels]

Riots are Trumps fault....

https://www.oregonlive.com/portland/202 ... lease.html

[Mark Leavy]

Riots are Trumps fault....

https://www.oregonlive.com/portland/202 ... lease.html

Just Fuck. Pardon my French.
Fuck. Fuck. Fuck.

Now, I have to drive all the way to Portland and empty my wine vault and find some tiny cowboy town in Nevada or Utah to store my shit.

Fuck. Fuck. Fuck.

[shekels]

Riots are Trumps fault....

https://www.oregonlive.com/portland/202 ... lease.html

Just Fuck. Pardon my French.
Fuck. Fuck. Fuck.

Now, I have to drive all the way to Portland and empty my wine vault and find some tiny cowboy town in Nevada or Utah to store my shit.

Fuck. Fuck. Fuck.

Forewarned is Forearmed..
Good Luck either way.

Well, either Oregon gets more Trump voters from this insanity,
or the more sane people will leave Portland if possible.

I have seen it before in Detroit.

I know here in Texas we are getting a big influx of people.

[Mark Leavy]

Forewarned is Forearmed..
Good Luck either way.

Yes. Thank you for that.
Mark

[Kbg]

Trump speech:
--I've done more for black people than any president since Lincoln. I just can't get enough of that line. Civil rights act, anyone?

Oops, not quite right of course. But it's pretty laughable that D's claim the mantle for actually doing anything.

Civil Rights act of 1875...Republican

Civil Rights act of 1957...Republican

Civil Rights act of 1960...Republican

Congressional commission that lead to the 1964 act, Republican. LBJ gets the Democratic glory, but really what he did was break with his own party to do the right thing.

In all cases major opposition by the Democratic Party...of course those guys all switched to the Republican party for which I will always hold Nixon in very low esteem. Barry Goldwater knew better...said they would blow up the party one day. I think he may be right in the end.

Actual real conservatives simply want equality and fairness for all and then everyone succeeds or fails on their on their own merit and hard work, to include corporations.

Freaking RINOs. I wish they would go back to being Southern Democrats.

[vnatale]

This article written on the eve of Trump's Inauguration was quite prescient in who he'd be as president.

Vinny


‘He Has This Deep Fear That He Is Not a Legitimate President’

On the eve of the inauguration, Trump’s biographers ponder his refusal to bend his ego to his new office.

By MICHAEL KRUSE January 18, 2017

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story ... ate-214655


"O’Brien: The only things that have kept him awake at night historically are money, sex, food, and revenge. And if you take those things out of the mix, it’s not like he ponders the deeper meaning of life. I don’t think he feels that he’s not up to this task. I think he did at different points during the campaign, and I certainly think on election night, and the first few days after that, you could see a kind of a watering down of his bravado. But that seems to have lasted for about a millisecond. Because I think he now feels like he’s fully in charge and has all the aptitude he needs for the office."

[vnatale]

Trump speech:
--I've done more for black people than any president since Lincoln. I just can't get enough of that line. Civil rights act, anyone?

Oops, not quite right of course. But it's pretty laughable that D's claim the mantle for actually doing anything.

Civil Rights act of 1875...Republican

Civil Rights act of 1957...Republican

Civil Rights act of 1960...Republican

Congressional commission that lead to the 1964 act, Republican. LBJ gets the Democratic glory, but really what he did was break with his own party to do the right thing.

In all cases major opposition by the Democratic Party...of course those guys all switched to the Republican party for which I will always hold Nixon in very low esteem. Barry Goldwater knew better...said they would blow up the party one day. I think he may be right in the end.

Actual real conservatives simply want equality and fairness for all and then everyone succeeds or fails on their on their own merit and hard work, to include corporations.

Freaking RINOs. I wish they would go back to being Southern Democrats.

If the above quote if truly what Trump believes it is certainly the total opposite of how he and his father did treat black people when they wanted to rent property from the Trumps.

Vinny


‘No Vacancies’ for Blacks: How Donald Trump Got His Start, and Was First Accused of Bias

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/28/us/p ... .html?_r=0

[vnatale]

Trump speech:
--I've done more for black people than any president since Lincoln. I just can't get enough of that line. Civil rights act, anyone?

Oops, not quite right of course. But it's pretty laughable that D's claim the mantle for actually doing anything.

Civil Rights act of 1875...Republican

Civil Rights act of 1957...Republican

Civil Rights act of 1960...Republican

Congressional commission that lead to the 1964 act, Republican. LBJ gets the Democratic glory, but really what he did was break with his own party to do the right thing.

In all cases major opposition by the Democratic Party...of course those guys all switched to the Republican party for which I will always hold Nixon in very low esteem. Barry Goldwater knew better...said they would blow up the party one day. I think he may be right in the end.

Actual real conservatives simply want equality and fairness for all and then everyone succeeds or fails on their on their own merit and hard work, to include corporations.

Freaking RINOs. I wish they would go back to being Southern Democrats.

If the above quote if truly what Trump believes it is certainly the total opposite of how he and his father did treat black people when they wanted to rent property from the Trumps.

Vinny


‘No Vacancies’ for Blacks: How Donald Trump Got His Start, and Was First Accused of Bias

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/28/us/p ... .html?_r=0

As usual, that NY Times article is long on allegations and completely lacking in factual evidence that Donald Trump had any hand in that policy.

Of course the reason for having the policy in the first place was not racial animus, but business practicality. Many white tenants at that time did not wish to live near blacks. Yes, that is racial bias, but not by the landlords.

Now let's look at his actual record. Trump's record of behavior in his own businesses and personal life is about as far from racial bias as one could ask. Here are just a few of the things he has done to demonstrate his fairness in that regard:

1. Fighting the local authorities in Palm Beach County to allow him to accept blacks (and Jews) into his country club. Read https://spectator.org/64643_when-trump-fought-racists/ and then tell me he's a racist.
2. Signing a bill to permanently fund the HBCUs: https://apnews.com/c4834e48841d97c5a93312b1bf75302a
3. Championing the First Step Act, which resulted in the release of thousands of mostly black prisoners who were serving lengthy sentences for nonviolent offenses: https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/19/politics ... index.html.
4. Pardoning a number of black ex-offenders and even commuting the sentences of some still in prison. See https://kesq.com/news/national-politics ... e-johnson/ and https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/ ... jon-ponder.
5. Receiving praise from Jesse Jackson: https://nypost.com/2016/08/31/jesse-jac ... s-praises/

I can provide many more examples of how he has not only not been racist but has gone out of his way to fight racism.

What were his motives in:

1) Obama birthism

2) Central Park Five (https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-e ... na-n661941)

3) His attacks on black women (https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-a ... on-1209872)

Vinny

[WiseOne]

Tech, you should know by now that "racist" has been redefined from "someone who mistreats a person or disapproves of a specific group due to their race, independently of other factors" to "someone whose political views do not meet with our/my approval."

By the latter definition, Trump is most definitely racist. So is virtually everyone on this forum.

[glennds]

Tech, you should know by now that "racist" has been redefined from "someone who mistreats a person or disapproves of a specific group due to their race, independently of other factors" to "someone whose political views do not meet with our/my approval."

By the latter definition, Trump is most definitely racist. So is virtually everyone on this forum.

Yes, I do know that. The good news is that people are starting to catch onto that scam, so the cry of "racist" is losing its potency.

Better yet, one day if we can reduce the extremity of our political polarization, we'll be eliminating racism at the same time. A two-fer.

[Mark Leavy]

Hopefully they will be demolished in November so that we can return to something resembling civil discourse.

Okay, tech. I don't know if this was intentional or not, but I laughed.

[Libertarian666]

Hopefully they will be demolished in November so that we can return to something resembling civil discourse.

Okay, tech. I don't know if this was intentional or not, but I laughed.

It wasn't intentional but I'll take the laughter anyway.

[jalanlong]

https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/04/economy/ ... index.html

This is the sort of crap that makes me detest the media. Trying to pin job losses on Trump when CNN has been complaining for months that he didn’t shut down soon enough! Plus did they headline the record unemployment in January before the virus?

[Lonestar]

Everyday there is a new Trump allegation. A new and different one each day. I'm not inferring they are true or false, but people are looking for anything to possibly discredit the president. Yesterday it was Trump's disrespect for fallen soldiers.

Today's Drudge Report has this content in an article:

"But Trump’s former national security adviser, John Bolton, said that while he hadn’t heard the remarks himself, they sounded like something the president would say.

This is a very important political issue for Trump and he’s in a difficult position at this point,” Bolton said Friday in a Bloomberg Radio interview. “I have not heard anybody say, ‘Oh, that doesn’t sound like the Donald Trump I know.’”


So now we are brainwashing the public into believing something is true because "it sounds like something someone would say". If the main stream media successfully integrates this form of journalism we are doomed to never hear the real truth about anything!

[vnatale]

Everyday there is a new Trump allegation. A new and different one each day. I'm not inferring they are true or false, but people are looking for anything to possibly discredit the president. Yesterday it was Trump's disrespect for fallen soldiers.

Today's Drudge Report has this content in an article:

"But Trump’s former national security adviser, John Bolton, said that while he hadn’t heard the remarks himself, they sounded like something the president would say.

This is a very important political issue for Trump and he’s in a difficult position at this point,” Bolton said Friday in a Bloomberg Radio interview. “I have not heard anybody say, ‘Oh, that doesn’t sound like the Donald Trump I know.’”


So now we are brainwashing the public into believing something is true because "it sounds like something someone would say". If the main stream media successfully integrates this form of journalism we are doomed to never hear the real truth about anything!

I have a different take on it.

It all revolves around having a reputation and how well you either uphold yours or tarnish it.

You I ever discover someone has lied to me then that person will NEVER get the benefit of the doubt from me in the future. In my case, I always want to be trusted so I will not tell a lie to anyone.

Trump has developed a certain reputation, which he has to live with. Therefore, in the above cases, is it any wonder he does not get the benefit of the doubt?

To put it another way, Bolton is an arch conservative. If the same allegation had been made about Obama, would Bolton have given the same response? I don't think so because there would be no basis in Obama's reputation for said anything remotely similar to what Trump has alleged to have said. How far is it a stretch to believe that Trump said what he said it the light of how well documented it is what he said about McCain?

Vinny

[flyingpylon]

Everyday there is a new Trump allegation. A new and different one each day. I'm not inferring they are true or false, but people are looking for anything to possibly discredit the president. Yesterday it was Trump's disrespect for fallen soldiers.

Today's Drudge Report has this content in an article:

"But Trump’s former national security adviser, John Bolton, said that while he hadn’t heard the remarks himself, they sounded like something the president would say.

This is a very important political issue for Trump and he’s in a difficult position at this point,” Bolton said Friday in a Bloomberg Radio interview. “I have not heard anybody say, ‘Oh, that doesn’t sound like the Donald Trump I know.’”


So now we are brainwashing the public into believing something is true because "it sounds like something someone would say". If the main stream media successfully integrates this form of journalism we are doomed to never hear the real truth about anything!

I have a different take on it.

It all revolves around having a reputation and how well you either uphold yours or tarnish it.

You I ever discover someone has lied to me then that person will NEVER get the benefit of the doubt from me in the future. In my case, I always want to be trusted so I will not tell a lie to anyone.

Trump has developed a certain reputation, which he has to live with. Therefore, in the above cases, is it any wonder he does not get the benefit of the doubt?

To put it another way, Bolton is an arch conservative. If the same allegation had been made about Obama, would Bolton have given the same response? I don't think so because there would be no basis in Obama's reputation for said anything remotely similar to what Trump has alleged to have said. How far is it a stretch to believe that Trump said what he said it the light of how well documented it is what he said about McCain?

Vinny

Your approach might work for average people, but not those willing to take on a political establishment that colludes with the media to actively promote false narratives against them.

Trump's beef with McCain was with McCain as an individual, perhaps rightfully so.

[Cortopassi]

Vinny, it doesn’t matter anymore.

If 4 star general John Kelly comes out and said I was one of the sources, and verifies he said it, it will not matter. It’s revenge, payback, he’s working for the other side, etc...all that will be the reasons Kelly brought this up now.

Even if the underlying comments are 100% true, does it, would it, change any Trump supporter minds even on this forum? Tech?

I suspect no.

[flyingpylon]

Vinny, it doesn’t matter anymore.

If 4 star general John Kelly comes out and said I was one of the sources, and verifies he said it, it will not matter. It’s revenge, payback, he’s working for the other side, etc...all that will be the reasons Kelly brought this up now.

Even if the underlying comments are 100% true, does it, would it, change any Trump supporter minds even on this forum? Tech?

I suspect no.

It's also true that there is no amount of credible sources sufficient to refute a false narrative about Trump for those that want to believe it. So there we are.

This latest flap about the military is obviously a coordinated political hit. They even had ads ready to go from the moment it was launched. There will be more, I'm sure... each one more desperate than the last.

[Cortopassi]

Vinny, it doesn’t matter anymore.

If 4 star general John Kelly comes out and said I was one of the sources, and verifies he said it, it will not matter. It’s revenge, payback, he’s working for the other side, etc...all that will be the reasons Kelly brought this up now.

Even if the underlying comments are 100% true, does it, would it, change any Trump supporter minds even on this forum? Tech?

I suspect no.

It's also true that there is no amount of credible sources sufficient to refute a false narrative about Trump for those that want to believe it. So there we are.

This latest flap about the military is obviously a coordinated political hit. They even had ads ready to go from the moment it was launched. There will be more, I'm sure... each one more desperate than the last.

Yeah. Even if there was a tape, or a video, nowadays, there is always the suspect of it being doctored. It literally has to be caught live by millions nowadays.

But, I do agree with Vinny, after 3.5 years of Trump and the way he conducts himself and how he speaks, it would easily be more believable that he said something like that, vs. say, anyone on this forum.

When he said this a million years ago, most of us were reasonably shocked. Nowadays, not so much.

“He’s not a war hero,” said Trump. “He was a war hero because he was captured. I like people who weren’t captured.”

[flyingpylon]

Vinny, it doesn’t matter anymore.

If 4 star general John Kelly comes out and said I was one of the sources, and verifies he said it, it will not matter. It’s revenge, payback, he’s working for the other side, etc...all that will be the reasons Kelly brought this up now.

Even if the underlying comments are 100% true, does it, would it, change any Trump supporter minds even on this forum? Tech?

I suspect no.

It's also true that there is no amount of credible sources sufficient to refute a false narrative about Trump for those that want to believe it. So there we are.

This latest flap about the military is obviously a coordinated political hit. They even had ads ready to go from the moment it was launched. There will be more, I'm sure... each one more desperate than the last.

Yeah. Even if there was a tape, or a video, nowadays, there is always the suspect of it being doctored. It literally has to be caught live by millions nowadays.

But, I do agree with Vinny, after 3.5 years of Trump and the way he conducts himself and how he speaks, it would easily be more believable that he said something like that, vs. say, anyone on this forum.

When he said this a million years ago, most of us were reasonably shocked. Nowadays, not so much.

“He’s not a war hero,” said Trump. “He was a war hero because he was captured. I like people who weren’t captured.”

I find the hundreds (thousands?) of photos, videos, articles, tweets, and corroboration from named first-hand sources about Trump's positive interactions with members of the military to be more believable than reports from anonymous sources "confirmed" by anonymous sources and coordinated with political campaign ads. But that's just me.

[pp4me]

I wouldn't doubt that Trump might have made some remarks that could be painted later in the way they are. The idea that soldiers lives were wasted in WW1 was a very common belief after the war, leading to the first "America First" anti-war movement. It took an attack by the Japanese at Pearl Harbor to put an end to it (we had to retaliate by invading Europe).

Similar things have been said about Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, etcetera. It's not an attack meant to disrespect those who died but an antiwar sentiment. It's just easily twisted to make it sound that way.

Same with not wanting to ride the helicopter because he would get his hair wet. I don't doubt he said that either but it was probably a joke.

[vnatale]

Vinny, it doesn’t matter anymore.

If 4 star general John Kelly comes out and said I was one of the sources, and verifies he said it, it will not matter. It’s revenge, payback, he’s working for the other side, etc...all that will be the reasons Kelly brought this up now.

Even if the underlying comments are 100% true, does it, would it, change any Trump supporter minds even on this forum? Tech?

I suspect no.

"t a campaign stop in Iowa on Saturday, Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump said he could shoot someone in public and still not lose any voters.

“They say I have the most loyal people — did you ever see that? Where I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody, and I wouldn’t lose any voters.” he said. “It’s like incredible.”"

Vinny