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Re: Is Trump doing a good job?

Post by flyingpylon » Sun Sep 13, 2020 7:25 pm

vnatale wrote:
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Regarding Trump rally campaign music.....This is the first time EVER I heard this:

Our America (with Gretchen Wilson & Cowboy Troy)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFP-iKykQzg

Now that I've listened to it a few times, if I were in charge of Trump rally music, It would be the last song I'd play JUST prior to Trump hitting the stage.

I could not see anything but the Trumpee's going wild over the song and putting them at the highest possible fever pitch to now actually be seeing their beloved Trump.

That is HOW you program rally music! Not John Fogerty's "Futunate Son", which, as has been pointed out, is actually anti-Trump.

Again, I'm not judging his campaign rally music by how it does or does not appeal to me but how I see it appealing to the Trump crowd.

The first time I applied to be a a DJ for our college radio station the station manager turned me down. I'd given him an audition tape of all the music I liked. I listened to his feedback and then gave him a second audition tape which I knew had the music on it HE wanted to hear. I got the job after that! I know how to play to the intended audience.

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Then again, perhaps you’re overconfident about the degree to which you understand Trump supporters.
I think might be able to confidently say that I've been directly exposed to more of Trump than you have for what he says at rallies and how his audience responds. Don't forget I'll sometimes listen to the entire rally three times in a row. I'm fairly confident I know what appeals to his audiences and what does not. And, therefore, the music which should be played for maximum appeal.

Can you see the above song I listed being played just before Biden comes on?

Vinny
No, they’d burn the place to the ground.

Edit: On second thought, there are no “Biden Rallies” anyway. So maybe it wouldn’t matter.
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Re: Is Trump doing a good job?

Post by vnatale » Sun Sep 13, 2020 7:47 pm

It looks like not all Canadians share Smith1776's reticense to comment about other country's politics?

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Re: Is Trump doing a good job?

Post by technovelist » Sun Sep 13, 2020 8:09 pm

I Shrugged wrote:
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It's so ironic that on a board that leans libertarian/ anarchist there are so many people here who love to lick the boots of this autocrat. Yes, Pelosi and Schumer are obnoxious. Trump is a douchebag elitist sociopath with delusions of grandeur.
Trump is the closest thing to an antiwar candidate and president I've seen in my lifetime and that is the prime directive for libertarians so I don't see any inconsistency there. Bush, McCain, and Romney were all neocon warmongers who turned my stomach and I couldn't bring myself to vote for any of them. Didn't vote for Dems either because they were all just as bad, if not worse. Pat Buchanan used to call Republicans the "war party" but I think that label applied to both parties. Neocons obviously realize this because they are switching to the Dems.

Harry Browne and Ron Paul were both strongly antiwar. I actually joined the Republican party for a while so I could vote for Ron Paul in the primary but canceled my membership shortly thereafter. Harry Browne's antiwar writings were some of the best I've read and I read them long before any of his financial books. I would have voted for Harry when he ran for president but I don't even remember him being on the ballot, or wasn't aware of he was and what he stood for at the time.

Is Trump a libertarian? Of course not. Is he everything you accuse him of? Maybe.

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Agree with everything you wrote, 1000%.
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Re: Is Trump doing a good job?

Post by boglerdude » Sun Sep 13, 2020 10:37 pm

yeah, just bring all the troops right home and we'll worry about it when iran/china/russia are on the borders. And we'll ask them to abide by the NAP
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Re: Is Trump doing a good job?

Post by Mark Leavy » Sun Sep 13, 2020 10:41 pm

boglerdude wrote:
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yeah, just bring all the troops right home and we'll worry about it when iran/china/russia are on the borders. And we'll ask them to abide by the NAP
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Re: Is Trump doing a good job?

Post by glennds » Sun Sep 13, 2020 11:28 pm

technovelist wrote:
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By rights he should get a third term but he knows that's impossible, just as everyone else does.
He just likes to wind up the Marxist media and all the other fools who can't tell when he's joking.
By what rights should he get a third term?

Note: Disregard the question if you were only joking.
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Re: Is Trump doing a good job?

Post by technovelist » Sun Sep 13, 2020 11:46 pm

glennds wrote:
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By rights he should get a third term but he knows that's impossible, just as everyone else does.
He just likes to wind up the Marxist media and all the other fools who can't tell when he's joking.
By what rights should he get a third term?

Note: Disregard the question if you were only joking.
I was partly joking but not entirely.

He has been subjected to continual obstruction and interference beyond the normal political realm, in the form of weaponizing the intelligence community and the power of impeachment against him, both with absolutely no justification.

This has cost him much time that could otherwise have been used productively even if only in normal political battles rather than fighting back against what a neutral observer would have to consider coup attempts.
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Re: Is Trump doing a good job?

Post by technovelist » Sun Sep 13, 2020 11:47 pm

Mark Leavy wrote:
Sun Sep 13, 2020 10:41 pm
boglerdude wrote:
Sun Sep 13, 2020 10:37 pm
yeah, just bring all the troops right home and we'll worry about it when iran/china/russia are on the borders. And we'll ask them to abide by the NAP
One of the great things about this forum is that there are quiet, serious, professionals with expertise in a wide variety of domains.
And then there is you.
It's too bad the knuckleheads forum doesn't allow political discussion so he could bother them instead of us.
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Re: Is Trump doing a good job?

Post by glennds » Mon Sep 14, 2020 12:58 am

technovelist wrote:
Sun Sep 13, 2020 11:46 pm
glennds wrote:
Sun Sep 13, 2020 11:28 pm
technovelist wrote:
Sun Sep 13, 2020 4:01 pm

By rights he should get a third term but he knows that's impossible, just as everyone else does.
He just likes to wind up the Marxist media and all the other fools who can't tell when he's joking.
By what rights should he get a third term?

Note: Disregard the question if you were only joking.
I was partly joking but not entirely.

He has been subjected to continual obstruction and interference beyond the normal political realm, in the form of weaponizing the intelligence community and the power of impeachment against him, both with absolutely no justification.

This has cost him much time that could otherwise have been used productively even if only in normal political battles rather than fighting back against what a neutral observer would have to consider coup attempts.
I suspected, if not joking, those might be your reasons.
I asked less to do with Trump and more to do with a broader interest in the whole question of term limits.
Maybe a worthy subject for a separate thread.
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Re: Is Trump doing a good job?

Post by Cortopassi » Mon Sep 14, 2020 8:03 am

Trump, the Uniter In Chief(tm).

Why doesn't he just come out and say it's all BS? His supporters have been for a while.

And again, not that I 100% disagree with him, but he's playing the outsider here, and he is the ultimate insider. If he could only actually sit down and formulate some real strategies, for, say, opening schools, vs. holding rallies, hey, maybe I'd vote for him. No, just tell the hack, stupid governors to open your state. Really helpful.

But it continues to be about stroking his big ass ego.

Oh, it's just Trump being Trump, get over it, right?

I'd like them to prove me wrong. I'd like them to trace all these rally goers and prove it isn't being spread. That would be great data.

And that first line by Kushner is a real beauty.

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Re: Is Trump doing a good job?

Post by sophie » Mon Sep 14, 2020 9:09 am

So what do you guys make of this?

https://www.wsj.com/articles/afghan-gov ... 1600019749
Representatives of the Afghan government and the Taliban sat down Sunday to kick off a historic round of direct talks this week aimed at ending the two-decades-long conflict, a day after delegations met for the first time in a hotel in Qatar.

The meetings over the weekend, brokered by the Trump administration as part of efforts to withdraw troops from America’s longest war, marked a diplomatic breakthrough.
I keep hearing all these highly negative descriptions of Trump, which I can't reconcile to accomplishments like this - which you never hear anything about. I guess it depends what you want to focus on.

Cortopassi, the study you are looking for has effectively already been done. Take a look at photos of the early June Black Lives Matter protests in New York City. I bet the photos were carefully vetted to maximize the number of mask wearers shown, but you can easily find non-mask wearing protesters in the photos - especially those shouting into megaphones in the middle of a densely packed crowd. Or masks worn incorrectly, e.g. under the nose. And I doubt very much that rioters, who weren't photographed, were wearing masks. Also of note, many in the audience are people of color (especially those not wearing masks), who have been shown to be especially vulnerable to COVID.

Then take a look at the COVID-19 daily case data published for New York City:
https://www1.nyc.gov/site/doh/covid/covid-19-data.page

Select "cases, hospitalizations, and deaths". Notice the shape of the curve dropping gradually through May, June, and July (and still dropping). There is no bump in cases following those protests, which you would expect from such risky behavior. QED.
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Re: Is Trump doing a good job?

Post by doodle » Mon Sep 14, 2020 9:11 am

Speaking of Kushner, can you imagine how outraged techno would be if Obama displayed same nepotism? Trump is a religious experience to him. There is no ability to rationalize anything. I have conceded that there are many policy points I agree with Trump on...taking on China, pushing for stricter immigration standards, revitalizing American industry, bringing home American troops.....I most strongly disagree with him in terms of environment and women's choice and healthcare but overall it's his divisiveness and personality that make him unfit to be president. An effective leader doesn't act like he does...which is why his first term and potentially second one will be so difficult for him. His way of being naturally creates drama and tension. It was the same way in his life as a private citizen ..he literally has been embroiled in lawsuits his entire life. That is the hallmark of an abrasive individual and makes for ineffective leadership. Many good ideas, wrong person, wrong style. In fact if the Democrats do win he will have caused a setback to his ideas by radicalizing the opposition..dumb strategy. He is an idiot...

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