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Re: Baseball?

Post by bedraggled » Fri May 01, 2020 8:13 pm

Vinny,

I am amazed that with our appreciation of baseball history and Yankee history- what other sports club has a history- that we have opposing views on the broadcasting. I have turned the sound off, at times. Anyway....

Great having you around and I envy your reading ability, speed and comprehension.

Thanks.
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Re: Baseball?

Post by bedraggled » Sat May 16, 2020 10:47 pm

Talking baseball trades on an avatar thread! Bad decorum?

Branch Rickey, I believe, once said a trade needed 2 years to see who benefited. Rickey also said "luck is the residue of design." Something here for the software engineers?

As a Yankee fan, Jay Buhner gives me another reason to think Steinbrenner should have been forced to sell the team.
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Re: Baseball?

Post by vnatale » Sun May 17, 2020 12:14 am

bedraggled wrote:
Sat May 16, 2020 10:47 pm
Talking baseball trades on an avatar thread! Bad decorum?

Branch Rickey, I believe, once said a trade needed 2 years to see who benefited. Rickey also said "luck is the residue of design." Something here for the software engineers?

As a Yankee fan, Jay Buhner gives me another reason to think Steinbrenner should have been forced to sell the team.
Tell me who was a better baseball owner?

When has any other team dominated baseball like the Yankees did for nearly 20 years, starting in 1994? When is the last time the Red Sox won two World Series in a row?

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Re: Baseball?

Post by bedraggled » Sun May 17, 2020 8:41 am

I initially think of Dan Topping & Del Webb. These 2 owners were referenced in a book whose title eludes me but this approximates:

Yankee Dynasty, 1949-1964: When rooting for the Yankees was like rooting for US Steel.

There were the 2 colonels, Ruppert and Houston. They bought the club in 1913. Because they did so well with the team, their Polo Grounds landlord kicked them out. The owners were smart enough to import Babe Ruth and Yankees' increasing attendance embarrassed the National League's New York Giants so the said 'out.' These 2 owners then built Yankee Stadium with cash. New York State taxpayers built the current Yankee Stadium and these taxpayers will be picking up the tab for several generations. Or maybe their grandchildren will.

Noteworthy? The 1923 Yankee Stadium was built with cash, as was the Woolworth Building, downtown. Now? Gotta get some financing! This could use some exploration.

The New York City subway was extended to the Bronx in 1918, making Jacob Astor's lumber yard site available. Cols. Ruppert and Houston bought there. Some suggest, as the new stadium was just across the river from the Polo Grounds, the colonels did it with spite. If so, it worked.
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Re: Baseball?

Post by Lonestar » Sun May 17, 2020 11:31 am

I don't know if this has been mentioned but PBS is streaming Ken Burn's "History of Baseball". Nine 2 hour episodes. Excellent watching.

https://www.pbs.org/show/baseball/episodes/season/1/
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Re: Baseball?

Post by bedraggled » Sun May 17, 2020 3:01 pm

Vinny,

I overlooked your starting in 1994 stipulation. My apologies.

I give full credit to Buck Showalter and Gene Michael for what is called the Joe Torre Yankees.
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Re: Baseball?

Post by bedraggled » Wed Jun 03, 2020 12:38 pm

Vinny,

You suggested Yankees performance since 1994.

I went and looked at Yankees play-off appearances since 1995- excellent compared to most other teams. You are right on target. The Atlanta Braves come to mind, though.

The New York Post is running some Yankees/Mets history stories of 40 years or so. The last several days the Winfield, Howie Spira situation was visited. In 1990, the fans at Yankee Stadium cheered with a standing ovation when the suspension of the owner and the possible forced sale of the club was announced.

Had Gene Michael and Buck Showalter been left to run the organization unfettered, I think the results would have dazzled. Walter O'Malley had Branch Rickey to show a juxtaposition.

Yankee fans are different. A Cleveland fan recently asked if I thought 41 Yankee pennants were enough. I said "no." Gene and Buck would have delivered the "dazzle. " Also, do I detect Yankee fans are accepting of a pennant rather than the Series win?

The attainment of the first round of the play-offs and then go home needs improvement and that seems to have changed recently. Why management brings in high-priced talent to clog the line-up for a decade and more confuses me. The word sclerotic comes to mind.

Your assessments are solid. Please point to my short-sightedness when you get the chance.

I think Buck Showalter is available and he appeared on Seinfeld!
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