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Mueller's Testimony

Posted: Sat Jul 27, 2019 10:14 pm
by Maddy
So what do you all think about the theory that Mueller has dementia and that he was used as the front man all this time because he couldn't understand anything? He did, truly, look like a broken man; however I'm inclined to believe that he's suffering from the same infirmity that Hillary came down with the minute the tide turned on her. Remember the alleged head injury followed by the appearance of thick thick prism glasses? Also, he seemed capable enough to identify, and to decline to answer, questions that were especially unfavorable to him. Any other theories about what was going on?
Simonjester wrote: I just saw it refereed to as "political ventriloquism", seemed like an apt description..
https://www.americanthinker.com/article ... quism.html

Re: Mueller's Testimony

Posted: Sat Jul 27, 2019 10:34 pm
by Maddy
As I think about it a little more, I recall that the claim being made is that Mueller has dementia and that everybody in Washington DC knew about it.

Re: Mueller's Testimony

Posted: Sun Jul 28, 2019 10:04 am
by WiseOne
A friend of mine who saw the testimony said the same thing, but just based on her own observations.

It's sad if true, but it does explain a lot. I'm super busy this weekend but will try to catch clips on Youtube...definitely would like to see for myself.

Re: Mueller's Testimony

Posted: Sun Jul 28, 2019 11:08 am
by Tyler
Maddy wrote:
Sat Jul 27, 2019 10:34 pm
As I think about it a little more, I recall that the claim being made is that Mueller has dementia and that everybody in Washington DC knew about it.
NOW they tell us. :-X ??? >:(

Re: Mueller's Testimony

Posted: Sun Jul 28, 2019 12:09 pm
by jhogue
I will defer to the the specialists in neurology among us for a diagnosis of dementia. I am sure that would be interesting.

Applying Okkam's Razor leads me to a different set of conclusions regarding Mueller's appearance:

1. Mueller did not want to testify. He said so. He had no incentive to prepare his testimony in depth.

2. Mueller did not write the report himself. That explains the constant requests for page numbers, etc.

3. Consider the setting: 7 1/2 hours in a crowded committee room jammed with too many people, hot lights, and cameras.

Re: Mueller's Testimony

Posted: Sun Jul 28, 2019 12:27 pm
by Maddy
Except that Mueller is on the short list of candidates for prosecution--that is, unless he has been granted some form of immunity. He didn't invoke the Fifth, so everything he said (or was unable to say) would be admissible in a subsequent criminal proceeding against him. A seemingly random inability to answer questions would not seem consistent with his self-interest, and it certainly would not have benefitted him to show up unprepared. That said, it's entirely possible that his inability to answer questions was a feigned ignorance, which gets us back to the "I'm too sick to go to prison" (or the "I'm too disabled to have been capable of criminal intent") hypothesis.

Re: Mueller's Testimony

Posted: Sun Jul 28, 2019 12:55 pm
by Maddy
Simonjester wrote: I am still leaning towards thinking that political ventriloquism is the underlying reality, he may very well be suffering health problems or be non committed semi retired, but that (and his prior respectable status) seems like exactly the reason the swamp people/bureaucrats made him the figurehead of this whole deal, they can manipulate the investigations, the media etc.. using his name, under there own direction, and feed him sound bites and spin to make him look like the man in charge -- until he has to get under the hot lights and testifies-- and it all falls apart.. then its his fault for being disengaged or nobody’s fault because he is a victim of illness.
Yes-- However, he definitely did not appear to be so disabled as to be unaware of the general contours of the investigation or to be incapable of exercising consent with respect to his participation in it. Was he, or was he not, a willing participant? Was it possible that for all these years he was kept in the dark about what was really going on? Lordy, the man wasn't stupid. I have a hard time accepting the possibility--even if he was suffering from a mild form of dementia--that he was unaware that the investigation was a groundless, lawless attempt to unseat a duly elected president. Half the country knew that.

I'll add that severe depression can share a lot of the characteristics of dementia. If he was a man of character, he had plenty to be depressed about.
Simonjester wrote: i wonder the same thing about much of the stuff going on in government, the people involved in this sort of thing are either far dumber and ideologically brainwashed than I can even begin to imagine, they are corrupt to the core, or somebody has something on them, and they are blackmailed into participating (or some combination of the three.. )

Re: Mueller's Testimony

Posted: Sun Jul 28, 2019 3:26 pm
by sweetbthescrivener
Interesting take by James Kunstler at his blog.

https://kunstler.com/clusterfuck-nation ... w-of-dust/
Who imagined that in the climactic scene of the blockbuster RussiaGate fantasy, when the curtain was ripped away, the Wizard at the controls would turn out to be… Captain Queeg!
Robert Mueller could not have run his investigation. There is even reason to question that he was briefed on the day-to-day developments by the people who did run it — since, for instance, he apparently never heard the phrase “Fusion GPS,” that is, the swarm of flying monkeys who delivered the whole shebang’s predicate documents known as the Steele Dossier simultaneously to the FBI, The Washington Post, and The New York Times beginning in 2016. By his testimony Wednesday, Mr. Mueller gives fresh and tragic meaning to the term useful id
The two-year inquisition was run by attorneys Andrew Weissmann and Jeanie Rhee, two arch Hillary Clinton partisans (the latter a lawyer for the Clinton Foundation), leading now to the conclusion that the Mueller Investigation itself was no less a Clinton operation than the Steele Dossier.

Re: Mueller's Testimony

Posted: Sun Jul 28, 2019 4:25 pm
by Maddy
After a little nosing around, I see that Mueller has appeared before Congress a total of 88 times since 1990. Many, if not all, of those appearances were videotaped and are available on the internet. I went back and reviewed just a couple of clips from the last few months. Absolutely nothing in his testimony or demeanor suggests anything less than a full grasp on what was going on. Not a single figure in the media--left or right--seems to have noticed anything either.

Re: Mueller's Testimony

Posted: Mon Jul 29, 2019 9:24 am
by jacksonM
Maddy wrote:
Sun Jul 28, 2019 4:25 pm
After a little nosing around, I see that Mueller has appeared before Congress a total of 88 times since 1990. Many, if not all, of those appearances were videotaped and are available on the internet. I went back and reviewed just a couple of clips from the last few months. Absolutely nothing in his testimony or demeanor suggests anything less than a full grasp on what was going on. Not a single figure in the media--left or right--seems to have noticed anything either.
They were noticing it on the Laura Ingraham show. Several people said they knew Bob Mueller and this was not the person they knew.

If he really is declining mentally that much at age 74 that's pretty sad to see. He's only a year older than Trump and 4 years older than me.

Re: Mueller's Testimony

Posted: Mon Jul 29, 2019 10:20 am
by dualstow
Reagan made his announcement at the age of 83 in 1994 (says wiki). I wonder how old he really was when it began.

Re: Mueller's Testimony

Posted: Mon Jul 29, 2019 10:58 am
by Maddy
It's not that hard to imagine a front man being kept clueless by a team of supposed subordinates. However, the fact that half the citizens in this country knew what was going on--right down to the sordid details--makes that theory impossible for me to buy.

Regarding my earlier comment about no one having noticed anything, what I meant was that I'm not aware of anyone noticing anything wrong with Mueller prior to his appearance this week. His supposed illness appeared as suddenly as Hillary's did, and at exactly the same "gotcha" moment.

Re: Mueller's Testimony

Posted: Mon Jul 29, 2019 11:24 am
by flyingpylon

Re: Mueller's Testimony

Posted: Wed Jul 31, 2019 6:43 am
by WiseOne
Finally got a look at the videos of the testimony.

Armchair diagnosis being what it is....it looked to me like he had problems understanding rapid fire, Southern-accented speech. So maybe some hearing loss, perhaps on top of existing difficulty following auditory information (which is very common). Otherwise, he looked ok cognitive-wise to me, although I don't have a previous comparison.

I thought his main problem was that he was doing his level best to convey his report's findings without actually stating them clearly. That's difficult under any circumstances. For example, I gathered that he thought that Trump did indeed step across the "obstruction of justice" legal line, but not severely enough to provide a strong case for impeachment. He responded "yes" confidently several times to direct questions about whether Trump could be indicted once he was out of office. Why he had to go down the "I couldn't exonerate him" path I'm not quite sure, because that's a strange legal concept. Also, since his "could not exonerate" line was limited to obstruction of justice, it was also pretty clear that he had nothing of substance on Trump with respect to Russian election interference (i.e. the original goal of the investigation). Like, he couldn't connect his real estate interests in Moscow with election hacking.

Re: Mueller's Testimony

Posted: Thu Aug 01, 2019 5:21 pm
by jacksonM
WiseOne wrote:
Wed Jul 31, 2019 6:43 am
Finally got a look at the videos of the testimony.

Armchair diagnosis being what it is....it looked to me like he had problems understanding rapid fire....
He earned a Bronze Star and purple heart as an infantry marine in Vietnam. Time has a way of catching up with you.