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Mueller's Testimony

Post by Maddy » Sat Jul 27, 2019 10:14 pm

So what do you all think about the theory that Mueller has dementia and that he was used as the front man all this time because he couldn't understand anything? He did, truly, look like a broken man; however I'm inclined to believe that he's suffering from the same infirmity that Hillary came down with the minute the tide turned on her. Remember the alleged head injury followed by the appearance of thick thick prism glasses? Also, he seemed capable enough to identify, and to decline to answer, questions that were especially unfavorable to him. Any other theories about what was going on?
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Post by l82start » Sat Jul 27, 2019 10:21 pm

I just saw it refereed to as "political ventriloquism", seemed like an apt description..
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Re: Mueller's Testimony

Post by Maddy » Sat Jul 27, 2019 10:34 pm

As I think about it a little more, I recall that the claim being made is that Mueller has dementia and that everybody in Washington DC knew about it.
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Post by sophie » Sun Jul 28, 2019 10:04 am

A friend of mine who saw the testimony said the same thing, but just based on her own observations.

It's sad if true, but it does explain a lot. I'm super busy this weekend but will try to catch clips on Youtube...definitely would like to see for myself.
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Post by Tyler » Sun Jul 28, 2019 11:08 am

Maddy wrote:
Sat Jul 27, 2019 10:34 pm
As I think about it a little more, I recall that the claim being made is that Mueller has dementia and that everybody in Washington DC knew about it.
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Re: Mueller's Testimony

Post by jhogue » Sun Jul 28, 2019 12:09 pm

I will defer to the the specialists in neurology among us for a diagnosis of dementia. I am sure that would be interesting.

Applying Okkam's Razor leads me to a different set of conclusions regarding Mueller's appearance:

1. Mueller did not want to testify. He said so. He had no incentive to prepare his testimony in depth.

2. Mueller did not write the report himself. That explains the constant requests for page numbers, etc.

3. Consider the setting: 7 1/2 hours in a crowded committee room jammed with too many people, hot lights, and cameras.
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Re: Mueller's Testimony

Post by Maddy » Sun Jul 28, 2019 12:27 pm

Except that Mueller is on the short list of candidates for prosecution--that is, unless he has been granted some form of immunity. He didn't invoke the Fifth, so everything he said (or was unable to say) would be admissible in a subsequent criminal proceeding against him. A seemingly random inability to answer questions would not seem consistent with his self-interest, and it certainly would not have benefitted him to show up unprepared. That said, it's entirely possible that his inability to answer questions was a feigned ignorance, which gets us back to the "I'm too sick to go to prison" (or the "I'm too disabled to have been capable of criminal intent") hypothesis.
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Re: Mueller's Testimony

Post by l82start » Sun Jul 28, 2019 12:28 pm

I am still leaning towards thinking that political ventriloquism is the underlying reality, he may very well be suffering health problems or be non committed semi retired, but that (and his prior respectable status) seems like exactly the reason the swamp people/bureaucrats made him the figurehead of this whole deal, they can manipulate the investigations, the media etc.. using his name, under there own direction, and feed him sound bites and spin to make him look like the man in charge -- until he has to get under the hot lights and testifies-- and it all falls apart.. then its his fault for being disengaged or nobody’s fault because he is a victim of illness.
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Re: Mueller's Testimony

Post by Maddy » Sun Jul 28, 2019 12:55 pm

Yes-- However, he definitely did not appear to be so disabled as to be unaware of the general contours of the investigation or to be incapable of exercising consent with respect to his participation in it. Was he, or was he not, a willing participant? Was it possible that for all these years he was kept in the dark about what was really going on? Lordy, the man wasn't stupid. I have a hard time accepting the possibility--even if he was suffering from a mild form of dementia--that he was unaware that the investigation was a groundless, lawless attempt to unseat a duly elected president. Half the country knew that.

I'll add that severe depression can share a lot of the characteristics of dementia. If he was a man of character, he had plenty to be depressed about.
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Re: Mueller's Testimony

Post by l82start » Sun Jul 28, 2019 3:15 pm

i wonder the same thing about much of the stuff going on in government, the people involved in this sort of thing are either far dumber and ideologically brainwashed than I can even begin to imagine, they are corrupt to the core, or somebody has something on them, and they are blackmailed into participating (or some combination of the three.. )
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Re: Mueller's Testimony

Post by sweetbthescrivener » Sun Jul 28, 2019 3:26 pm

Interesting take by James Kunstler at his blog.

https://kunstler.com/clusterfuck-nation ... w-of-dust/
Who imagined that in the climactic scene of the blockbuster RussiaGate fantasy, when the curtain was ripped away, the Wizard at the controls would turn out to be… Captain Queeg!
Robert Mueller could not have run his investigation. There is even reason to question that he was briefed on the day-to-day developments by the people who did run it — since, for instance, he apparently never heard the phrase “Fusion GPS,” that is, the swarm of flying monkeys who delivered the whole shebang’s predicate documents known as the Steele Dossier simultaneously to the FBI, The Washington Post, and The New York Times beginning in 2016. By his testimony Wednesday, Mr. Mueller gives fresh and tragic meaning to the term useful id
The two-year inquisition was run by attorneys Andrew Weissmann and Jeanie Rhee, two arch Hillary Clinton partisans (the latter a lawyer for the Clinton Foundation), leading now to the conclusion that the Mueller Investigation itself was no less a Clinton operation than the Steele Dossier.
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Re: Mueller's Testimony

Post by Maddy » Sun Jul 28, 2019 4:25 pm

After a little nosing around, I see that Mueller has appeared before Congress a total of 88 times since 1990. Many, if not all, of those appearances were videotaped and are available on the internet. I went back and reviewed just a couple of clips from the last few months. Absolutely nothing in his testimony or demeanor suggests anything less than a full grasp on what was going on. Not a single figure in the media--left or right--seems to have noticed anything either.
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