New Ideas about Sleep

[dualstow]

The conventional beliefs about sleep challenged.
Still digesting
https://guzey.com/theses-on-sleep/#comf ... -is-normal

[snedgar]

I think it's intended as satire...

[Smith1776]

It looks like something Cosmo Kramer wrote.

[dualstow]

I think it's intended as satire...

One might think so if it were short, but it goes on and on. You can see comments beneath, with the author’s responses.

[dualstow]

see here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_W ... ontroversy

[whatchamacallit]

As a lifelong insomniac I can get on board with the body wanting to stay awake for 30 to 40 hours.

If I didn't have to live by a schedule I could see getting into a sleep schedule that did not revolve around a time of day at all.

I can't even comprehend being able to sleep for 10 hours and feel pretty lucky if I get a solid 6.

Seems like I remember reading or hearing that Harry Browne himself kept some odd sleeping habits staying up until morning.

[Kriegsspiel]

This is a great find dualstow, thanks. I LOL'd at this part, "Lack of sleep is such a potent trigger for mania that acute sleep deprivation is literally used to treat depression." I've been experimenting with something like this for a few months now, bouncing between <6 hours and 7.5-9, after noticing that a little bit of sleep dep was actually making me feel pretty good.

There was an AOM podcast on sleep last year where the guy basically says to forget about setting bedtimes, just wake up at the same time every day. So what I've been doing is setting an alarm every day, and if I'm not asleep in time to get 7.5+, I'll stay awake long enough to make it a <6 hour sleep.

One other argument for sleeping the “natural” (7-9) number of hours is that we feel bad on days when we sleep less. In this section, I argue against this line of reasoning by asking: if fasting and exercising are good, shouldn’t acute sleep deprivation also be good? And I conclude that it is probably good.

I think he's right on. Long periods of sleep dep are painful, but periodically it's like a nice reset. Jocko has talked about mild sleep dep not being a big deal either, and he's on point about pretty much everything. I suspect he's one of the DEC2/ADRB1/NPSR1 genetically-gifted, but for the rest of us it's still not the end of the world.

Good stuff.

[Kriegsspiel]

There was an AOM podcast on sleep last year where the guy basically says to forget about setting bedtimes, just wake up at the same time every day. So what I've been doing is setting an alarm every day, and if I'm not asleep in time to get 7.5+, I'll stay awake long enough to make it a <6 hour sleep.

I just noticed he mentions this in his notes at the bottom of the article. His observations on the boringness of the environment there are spot on as well.

[dualstow]

Jocko is the Art of Manliness guy?
I wonder if he derived his name from Devo’s ‘Jocko Homo’ (“Are we not men?”)

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So what I've been doing is setting an alarm every day, and if I'm not asleep in time to get 7.5+, I'll stay awake long enough to make it a <6 hour sleep.

Sounds kind of like intermittent fasting for sleep.

[Mark Leavy]

Jocko is the Art of Manliness guy?

No, he's the ex Navy Seal guy. Interesting dude.

[dualstow]

Ahhhhh. Many thanks

[DogBreath]

There was an AOM podcast on sleep last year where the guy basically says to forget about setting bedtimes, just wake up at the same time every day. So what I've been doing is setting an alarm every day, and if I'm not asleep in time to get 7.5+, I'll stay awake long enough to make it a <6 hour sleep.

Once you get past about 55yo you can't sleep to when you want, or stay up 'til whenever for that matter. At least for me, I feel like absolute crap all day if I get less than 6.5 hours sleep, so doing that intentionally is not going to happen.

[yankees60]

There was an AOM podcast on sleep last year where the guy basically says to forget about setting bedtimes, just wake up at the same time every day. So what I've been doing is setting an alarm every day, and if I'm not asleep in time to get 7.5+, I'll stay awake long enough to make it a <6 hour sleep.

Once you get past about 55yo you can't sleep to when you want, or stay up 'til whenever for that matter. At least for me, I feel like absolute crap all day if I get less than 6.5 hours sleep, so doing that intentionally is not going to happen.

I would have thought for you with all your physical activity (pickle ball +) that you'd have better sleep than the typical person your age.

If I regulate my liquid intake at night so as to not be woken up to get rid of it I can go 6, 7 hours without waking up. Also, last month I was so intent to finally get a certain phase done of something I'd been working on that I stayed up until 6 AM (which I think meant I'd been awake for about 24 hours).

Before I got back into my exercise program this month I was having some nights where I'd wake up and could not get back to sleep which left me going all day on only a few hours sleep. I was always surprised when at night I'd be feeling great and then remember that I had been going on only a few hours sleep that day.

[DogBreath]

There was an AOM podcast on sleep last year where the guy basically says to forget about setting bedtimes, just wake up at the same time every day. So what I've been doing is setting an alarm every day, and if I'm not asleep in time to get 7.5+, I'll stay awake long enough to make it a <6 hour sleep.

Once you get past about 55yo you can't sleep to when you want, or stay up 'til whenever for that matter. At least for me, I feel like absolute crap all day if I get less than 6.5 hours sleep, so doing that intentionally is not going to happen.

I would have thought for you with all your physical activity (pickle ball +) that you'd have better sleep than the typical person your age.

If I regulate my liquid intake at night so as to not be woken up to get rid of it I can go 6, 7 hours without waking up. Also, last month I was so intent to finally get a certain phase done of something I'd been working on that I stayed up until 6 AM (which I think meant I'd been awake for about 24 hours).

Before I got back into my exercise program this month I was having some nights where I'd wake up and could not get back to sleep which left me going all day on only a few hours sleep. I was always surprised when at night I'd be feeling great and then remember that I had been going on only a few hours sleep that day.

Ya, you would think. I often get 5 hours of strenuous exercise in, but I still sleep like crap. I don't wake up to pee, I wake up and just can't fall back to sleep. It sucks.

[Mountaineer]

There was an AOM podcast on sleep last year where the guy basically says to forget about setting bedtimes, just wake up at the same time every day. So what I've been doing is setting an alarm every day, and if I'm not asleep in time to get 7.5+, I'll stay awake long enough to make it a <6 hour sleep.

Once you get past about 55yo you can't sleep to when you want, or stay up 'til whenever for that matter. At least for me, I feel like absolute crap all day if I get less than 6.5 hours sleep, so doing that intentionally is not going to happen.

+1 for the Pugster

[dualstow]

Once you get past about 55yo you can't sleep to when you want, or stay up 'til whenever for that matter. At least for me, I feel like absolute crap all day if I get less than 6.5 hours sleep, so doing that intentionally is not going to happen.

I’m not quite there yet in age but I noticed my sleep is like that. Lucky to get 6 hours in a night unless it’s catchup sleep for the week. Blissful, sweet catchup sleep, when the cat decides to give me a break and eat breakfast late.