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Re: Reasons why I will not be getting injected for the Wuhan

Post by I Shrugged » Wed Nov 24, 2021 11:50 am

pp4me wrote:
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I actually don't mind if Google sorts through news stories weeding out the ones that are actually important and relevant.


I do mind. To me that puts Google in position of curating what I see. But, we are talking about search suggestions, not results, so that's a little different. But I still think the suggestions should not be curated, but should simply be auto-complete offerings of the most common searches. ie The suggestions should be to save typing, not to guide me in certain ways.

As far as search results, that issue is complicated in a different way, but overall I think they should presented according to popularity of click throughs. Not screened and presented by Google's wishes. Which is definitely what they do.

I hate the internet. I honestly think my life was better before it was ubiquitous.

edit: sorry for getting so far off topic. Back to vaccines....
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Re: Reasons why I will not be getting injected for the Wuhan

Post by Cortopassi » Wed Nov 24, 2021 11:58 am

I Shrugged wrote:
Wed Nov 24, 2021 11:50 am

I hate the internet. I honestly think my life was better before it was ubiquitous.
In many ways, I totally agree.

Work related, though, I am sitting here designing a PCB. I need to add a new part. The schematic/layout software I use is tied into all the major distributors of parts. I search for a few parameters, select a part, drop it onto the schematic and am able to bring up a datasheet literally within 1-2 minutes.

That would have taken one to an unknown number of days, phone calls, databook requests, or simply not being able to find the appropriate part for lack of searching in the right spot or with the right vendor or not having the right databook.

I can bring up a bill of materials that real time shows me stock of parts in my design. And I can design something else in or allow for alternates in again, 1-2 minutes. 20 years ago, there were whole departments that dealt with parts inventory and sourcing. I would have no idea if what I was putting in was even available!
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Re: Reasons why I will not be getting injected for the Wuhan

Post by Mountaineer » Wed Nov 24, 2021 1:02 pm

Cortopassi wrote:
Wed Nov 24, 2021 11:58 am
I Shrugged wrote:
Wed Nov 24, 2021 11:50 am

I hate the internet. I honestly think my life was better before it was ubiquitous.
In many ways, I totally agree.

Work related, though, I am sitting here designing a PCB. I need to add a new part. The schematic/layout software I use is tied into all the major distributors of parts. I search for a few parameters, select a part, drop it onto the schematic and am able to bring up a datasheet literally within 1-2 minutes.

That would have taken one to an unknown number of days, phone calls, databook requests, or simply not being able to find the appropriate part for lack of searching in the right spot or with the right vendor or not having the right databook.

I can bring up a bill of materials that real time shows me stock of parts in my design. And I can design something else in or allow for alternates in again, 1-2 minutes. 20 years ago, there were whole departments that dealt with parts inventory and sourcing. I would have no idea if what I was putting in was even available!
I tend to think of the internet like any other tool. Can be very useful, or dangerous when used improperly. That goes for everything from shovels, knives, guns, the Bible, hammers, to computers and cell phones. Temptations for improper use abound. Discernment is key quality.
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Re: Reasons why I will not be getting injected for the Wuhan

Post by I Shrugged » Wed Nov 24, 2021 1:47 pm

Mountaineer wrote:
Wed Nov 24, 2021 1:02 pm
Cortopassi wrote:
Wed Nov 24, 2021 11:58 am
I Shrugged wrote:
Wed Nov 24, 2021 11:50 am

I hate the internet. I honestly think my life was better before it was ubiquitous.
In many ways, I totally agree.

Work related, though, I am sitting here designing a PCB. I need to add a new part. The schematic/layout software I use is tied into all the major distributors of parts. I search for a few parameters, select a part, drop it onto the schematic and am able to bring up a datasheet literally within 1-2 minutes.

That would have taken one to an unknown number of days, phone calls, databook requests, or simply not being able to find the appropriate part for lack of searching in the right spot or with the right vendor or not having the right databook.

I can bring up a bill of materials that real time shows me stock of parts in my design. And I can design something else in or allow for alternates in again, 1-2 minutes. 20 years ago, there were whole departments that dealt with parts inventory and sourcing. I would have no idea if what I was putting in was even available!
I tend to think of the internet like any other tool. Can be very useful, or dangerous when used improperly. That goes for everything from shovels, knives, guns, the Bible, hammers, to computers and cell phones. Temptations for improper use abound. Discernment is key quality.
So it is as simple as resisting temptation?
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Re: Reasons why I will not be getting injected for the Wuhan

Post by vnatale » Thu Nov 25, 2021 11:00 am

Mountaineer wrote:
Wed Nov 24, 2021 1:02 pm



I tend to think of the internet like any other tool. Can be very useful, or dangerous when used improperly. That goes for everything from shovels, knives, guns, the Bible, hammers, to computers and cell phones. Temptations for improper use abound. Discernment is key quality.


I again completely agree with the above wisdom of the forum member known as "Mountaineer"!
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Re: Reasons why I will not be getting injected for the Wuhan

Post by I Shrugged » Mon Nov 29, 2021 4:28 pm

Anybody following the release of abstract of a study which says that cardiac inflammation markers are considerably elevated in the study subjects following vaccination? Here is John Campbell doing a video on it. He basically says, the abstract sounds interesting, let's see the study. I have to say, as a vaccinated person I found it depressing. Now a day later I've mostly put it in the rearview mirror, but we'll see. Anyway, if this study can be validated, oh boy.

https://youtu.be/LEBGl8MVE-c
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Re: Reasons why I will not be getting injected for the Wuhan

Post by jalanlong » Mon Nov 29, 2021 8:42 pm

Mountaineer wrote:
Wed Nov 24, 2021 1:02 pm
Cortopassi wrote:
Wed Nov 24, 2021 11:58 am
I Shrugged wrote:
Wed Nov 24, 2021 11:50 am

I hate the internet. I honestly think my life was better before it was ubiquitous.
In many ways, I totally agree.

Work related, though, I am sitting here designing a PCB. I need to add a new part. The schematic/layout software I use is tied into all the major distributors of parts. I search for a few parameters, select a part, drop it onto the schematic and am able to bring up a datasheet literally within 1-2 minutes.

That would have taken one to an unknown number of days, phone calls, databook requests, or simply not being able to find the appropriate part for lack of searching in the right spot or with the right vendor or not having the right databook.

I can bring up a bill of materials that real time shows me stock of parts in my design. And I can design something else in or allow for alternates in again, 1-2 minutes. 20 years ago, there were whole departments that dealt with parts inventory and sourcing. I would have no idea if what I was putting in was even available!
I tend to think of the internet like any other tool. Can be very useful, or dangerous when used improperly. That goes for everything from shovels, knives, guns, the Bible, hammers, to computers and cell phones. Temptations for improper use abound. Discernment is key quality.
It is also a matter of time spent. Not everyone has a gun. People dont walk around, drive or go to work with a shovel most likely. But everyone has a cell phone on them 24/7. So the negative aspects are more frequent and elevated.
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Re: Reasons why I will not be getting injected for the Wuhan

Post by glennds » Tue Nov 30, 2021 3:13 pm

pugchief wrote:
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It would be really awesome if some organization could just report the facts, without any opinion or bias. Not holding my breath.
If such an organization appeared, and just reported the facts, I wonder how many people would even believe them?
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Re: Reasons why I will not be getting injected for the Wuhan

Post by vnatale » Tue Nov 30, 2021 3:33 pm

glennds wrote:
Tue Nov 30, 2021 3:13 pm

pugchief wrote:
Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:17 pm


It would be really awesome if some organization could just report the facts, without any opinion or bias. Not holding my breath.


If such an organization appeared, and just reported the facts, I wonder how many people would even believe them?


Yes!!!!!

EVERYONE has biases to which they filter ALL facts. I guess it comes down to how much "distortion" each one of us creates with the facts.

And, aside from biases ... professionals (lawyers, accountants, doctors, engineers and so on) are provided with the same set of facts yet come up with either different conclusions or recommendations.

Therefore, just having or being provided "the facts" is not the end all? Maybe a good start and may lead to better results. But not all that is necessary.
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Re: Reasons why I will not be getting injected for the Wuhan

Post by flyingpylon » Tue Nov 30, 2021 5:49 pm

What we refer to as “facts” are actually data+interpretation+persuasion. So more “facts” are not really a solution.
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Post by Kbg » Tue Nov 30, 2021 6:40 pm

glennds wrote:
Tue Nov 30, 2021 3:13 pm
If such an organization appeared, and just reported the facts, I wonder how many people would even believe them?
It seems not many...every where I look on the internet critical thinking skills seems to be a dying art. I know very few people these days that don't lead with their opinions and then work back from there.

I sorta get that on moral issues, but a lot of the stuff that gets argued over actually isn't based in/on a moral code like a religious text or a philosophical school that addresses morality.

As I've said umpteen times in this thread, COVID isn't political (or moral). It's going to do what it's going to do.

Factually COVID comes down one thing and one thing only. Protect myself, protect others and what is the best way to do that based on the most recent evidence. And on the protect myself front, it comes down to do I protect myself with a vaccine or subject myself to vaccine complications. Anything more, or less than the just above is just a bunch of bullhockey.
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Post by Xan » Tue Nov 30, 2021 8:28 pm

flyingpylon wrote:
Tue Nov 30, 2021 5:49 pm
What we refer to as “facts” are actually data+interpretation+persuasion. So more “facts” are not really a solution.
Not only that, but there's a lot more to covering the news than just fact vs opinion. For example, which stories get coverage and which are buried? Even if you're presenting everything 100% factually, you can get dramatically different spins on the world by adjusting what you cover and what you don't.
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Post by vnatale » Wed Dec 01, 2021 8:45 am

Xan wrote:
Tue Nov 30, 2021 8:28 pm

flyingpylon wrote:
Tue Nov 30, 2021 5:49 pm

What we refer to as “facts” are actually data+interpretation+persuasion. So more “facts” are not really a solution.


Not only that, but there's a lot more to covering the news than just fact vs opinion. For example, which stories get coverage and which are buried? Even if you're presenting everything 100% factually, you can get dramatically different spins on the world by adjusting what you cover and what you don't.


Exactly the same way a picture or a video does not tell the whole story. It depends upon what that camera that produced the picture or video was focused on.
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Re: Reasons why I will not be getting injected for the Wuhan

Post by jalanlong » Wed Dec 01, 2021 10:02 am

vnatale wrote:
Wed Dec 01, 2021 8:45 am
Xan wrote:
Tue Nov 30, 2021 8:28 pm
flyingpylon wrote:
Tue Nov 30, 2021 5:49 pm
What we refer to as “facts” are actually data+interpretation+persuasion. So more “facts” are not really a solution.
Not only that, but there's a lot more to covering the news than just fact vs opinion. For example, which stories get coverage and which are buried? Even if you're presenting everything 100% factually, you can get dramatically different spins on the world by adjusting what you cover and what you don't.
Exactly the same way a picture or a video does not tell the whole story. It depends upon what that camera that produced the picture or video was focused on.
Exactly. One of my many problems with Covid coverage is the constantly changing of focus to (in my opinion) always highlight the negative. On any given day you could choose to focus on cases, hospitalizations, deaths etc. And you can constantly move the reference point. Are you measuring it vs last week, last month, last 6 months or last year? On any given day some of those could look positive and some could look negative. How do you report those "facts"? Do you go thru every single one of them. What sort of information does it provide to people that "cases are up over the last months but down over the last week but up over the last 6 months but down from last year"?
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Post by Kbg » Wed Dec 01, 2021 11:22 am

jalanlong wrote:
Wed Dec 01, 2021 10:02 am
vnatale wrote:
Wed Dec 01, 2021 8:45 am
Xan wrote:
Tue Nov 30, 2021 8:28 pm
flyingpylon wrote:
Tue Nov 30, 2021 5:49 pm
What we refer to as “facts” are actually data+interpretation+persuasion. So more “facts” are not really a solution.
Not only that, but there's a lot more to covering the news than just fact vs opinion. For example, which stories get coverage and which are buried? Even if you're presenting everything 100% factually, you can get dramatically different spins on the world by adjusting what you cover and what you don't.
Exactly the same way a picture or a video does not tell the whole story. It depends upon what that camera that produced the picture or video was focused on.
Exactly. One of my many problems with Covid coverage is the constantly changing of focus to (in my opinion) always highlight the negative. On any given day you could choose to focus on cases, hospitalizations, deaths etc. And you can constantly move the reference point. Are you measuring it vs last week, last month, last 6 months or last year? On any given day some of those could look positive and some could look negative. How do you report those "facts"? Do you go thru every single one of them. What sort of information does it provide to people that "cases are up over the last months but down over the last week but up over the last 6 months but down from last year"?
Agree, this is annoying. But I think this is where personal responsibility and the ability to think critically, evaluate sources and weigh evidence rationally come into play. That's not a news problem that's a you problem (meant in the generic sense not personally).

For profit news organizations have at an elemental level worked the same for a very long time (hundreds of years). Know your audience, create controversy (buzz) to generate sales. News has to pay the bills/make a profit. I don't begrudge them operating in a manner that makes them profitable. What and how they do it isn't all that different from any business. Regardless of one's political views and news source consumption points, I actually DO expect people to understand the dynamic going on...and if they don't, they should open their eyes.

Here's an experience I suggest everyone try. Flip your news source 180 for about three months and I guarantee you your views will at least moderately change on several issues. There's a host of psychological reasons for this phenomena and it's a very rare person who can do that and not be impacted. Because most people are not comfortable having their views challenged they self-select in many areas of life including news consumption.
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Post by jalanlong » Wed Dec 01, 2021 11:56 am

Kbg wrote:
Wed Dec 01, 2021 11:22 am


Here's an experience I suggest everyone try. Flip your news source 180 for about three months and I guarantee you your views will at least moderately change on several issues. There's a host of psychological reasons for this phenomena and it's a very rare person who can do that and not be impacted. Because most people are not comfortable having their views challenged they self-select in many areas of life including news consumption.
So you are saying that even though I am a (figuratively) card carrying Libertarian, if I watched MSNBC for 3 months I would soften my views on government intervention into private markets?? That either presumes that I have never been exposed to or thought thru the arguments of statists before or it implies that if you are exposed to just one narrative over a period of time, you can be shaped to the will of your sources. It would be an interesting experiment although I can't think of a more painful one to try out!
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-libertarian people are the rare individuals
-I stopped on a public radio channel recently when I was in the car. And only the few minutes I listened, I quickly was formulating counter arguments to the propaganda / specious reasoning which was being put forward. There's not enough hours in the day for me to refute every bad argument that's out there, so I will have to pass on your experiment.
-in principle, of course you are right. Propagandists do propaganda. Advertisers do advertising. That is the profession they are engaged in. Consider that if advertising wasn't effective, corporations wouldn't pay a million dollars a minute for super bowl air time
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murphy_p_t wrote:
Wed Dec 01, 2021 12:25 pm

-libertarian people are the rare individuals
-I stopped on a public radio channel recently when I was in the car. And only the few minutes I listened, I quickly was formulating counter arguments to the propaganda / specious reasoning which was being put forward. There's not enough hours in the day for me to refute every bad argument that's out there, so I will have to pass on your experiment.
-in principle, of course you are right. Propagandists do propaganda. Advertisers do advertising. That is the profession they are engaged in. Consider that if advertising wasn't effective, corporations wouldn't pay a million dollars a minute for super bowl air time


Would you believe that you were off by a factor of 11 times??!!!

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To be included as an advertiser in CBS' live stream of the Super Bowl, companies had to pay an additional $300,000, according to AdWeek.
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Post by Cortopassi » Wed Dec 01, 2021 3:06 pm

Got my booster and flu shots today. If history is any guide, tomorrow is not going to be good!
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Post by Mountaineer » Wed Dec 01, 2021 3:56 pm

Cortopassi wrote:
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Got my booster and flu shots today. If history is any guide, tomorrow is not going to be good!
Best wishes for a comfortable tomorrow!
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Post by murphy_p_t » Wed Dec 01, 2021 10:08 pm

Today's reminder that the regime wants you dead.

The virus exists, but the pandemic mainly exists between your ears.

https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/dyin ... ivermectin
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murphy_p_t wrote:
Wed Dec 01, 2021 10:08 pm
Today's reminder that the regime wants you dead.

The virus exists, but the pandemic mainly exists between your ears.

https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/dyin ... ivermectin
My own personal opinion is that if someone wants to use ivermectin--or fluvoxamine, or disulfiram, or remdesivir, or molnuporavir--for COVID-19 (or for any other disease or condition) that is between them and their doctor (or between them and their farm supply store if they wish to go the OTC route in the case of ivermectin). I would also note that except in cases of stupidly high levels of overdoses of ivermectin the side effects are generally mild and as such this is a fairly safe compound as far as pharmaceuticals go. With that said:

1. Zero Hedge isn't exactly a reliable source of information

2. The Epoch Times is a Falun Gong influence peddling broadsheet masquerading as an actual newspaper.

3. Whoever wrote this article doesn't seem to understand the difference between causation and correlation (or for that matter doesn't seem to understand that "anecdote does not equal data" ). Just because the patient took ivermectin and the recovered doesn't mean the ivermectin necessarily caused it. It may have caused it (or at least helped cause it) but he also may have gotten better anyway even without it. There are clinical trials ongoing to see if ivermectin is actually effective against COVID-19; hopefully when those are fully completed we will know whether it is effective and if so how effective is it vs other drugs and vs supportive care only. Until then, if someone wants to take it for COVID, more power to them and I wish them the best of luck, but don't go around pretending like is is proven as a cure or treatment.

4. There is a rather obvious and (relatively) quick way to see if Ivermectin works for COVID-19 but due to ethical controls around clinical trials it can't be done.....unless you and a few thousand other people who are unvaccinated will volunteer to be willingly infected via a very heavy exposure to delta-variant COVID, confined in a building and monitored 24/7, split into a (blinded) treatment arm/placebo arm with roughly equal age/sex/healthiness levels in each arm, neither arm gets any form of supportive care and the treatment arm gets ivermectin and the placebo arm gets inert cellulose or sugar tablets instead, and we see how many people die in the treatment (i.e. got ivermectin) arm vs the placebo (i.e. got inert pills) arm. Like I said, there are rather blindingly obvious ethical reasons we cannot conduct such a trial...but if we could it would solve the "ivermection....does it work for COVID or not?" question once and for all.
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Post by murphy_p_t » Thu Dec 02, 2021 8:33 am

Ethical reasons. Perhaps.

Seems there's bigger concern that it will be proven to be safe and effective. Will have a detrimental effect on the regime's programming for the last 18 months.
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Post by Xan » Thu Dec 02, 2021 9:32 am

Could you describe when HCQ is indicated versus when Ivermectin is indicated?
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Post by pp4me » Thu Dec 02, 2021 9:44 am

Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine linked to rare cases of eye inflammation - study

https://www.jpost.com/health-science/pf ... udy-675839

Mountaineer, his wife, and me as noted in this forum alone. So how rare is it really? Most people probably don't relate it to the shots so it never gets reported.

I also just recalled that exactly 45 days after the second jab I woke up one morning with what I thought was vertigo at the time. I could barely walk in a straight line for most of the day. I didn't link that to the vaccine because it was so long afterwards but I read somewhere that's about the usual time for this to show up.

I'm also reading about the "rare" side-effect of heart attacks.
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