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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by tomfoolery » Tue Jun 22, 2021 12:49 pm

flyingpylon wrote:
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What happens on one's 18th birthday that makes the vaccines safe?
The same thing that makes them mentally capable to consent to sex and to own an AR15 fully automatic assault rifle.
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by SomeDude » Tue Jun 22, 2021 6:20 pm

tomfoolery wrote:
Tue Jun 22, 2021 12:49 pm
flyingpylon wrote:
Tue Jun 22, 2021 10:19 am
What happens on one's 18th birthday that makes the vaccines safe?
The same thing that makes them mentally capable to consent to sex and to own an AR15 fully automatic assault rifle.
It's fully semi-automatic.
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by flyingpylon » Tue Jun 22, 2021 7:05 pm

Update to the update from the WHO. Make of it what you will.

Instead of "Children should not be vaccinated for the moment.", they now say:
Children and adolescents tend to have milder disease compared to adults, so unless they are part of a group at higher risk of severe COVID-19, it is less urgent to vaccinate them than older people, those with chronic health conditions and health workers.

More evidence is needed on the use of the different COVID-19 vaccines in children to be able to make general recommendations on vaccinating children against COVID-19.

WHO's Strategic Advisory Group of Experts (SAGE) has concluded that the Pfizer/BionTech vaccine is suitable for use by people aged 12 years and above. Children aged between 12 and 15 who are at high risk may be offered this vaccine alongside other priority groups for vaccination. Vaccine trials for children are ongoing and WHO will update its recommendations when the evidence or epidemiological situation warrants a change in policy.
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by flyingpylon » Wed Jun 23, 2021 2:58 pm

CDC safety group says there’s a likely link between rare heart inflammation in young people after Covid shot

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/23/cdc-rep ... shots.html
A CDC safety group said there’s a “likely association” between a rare heart inflammatory condition in adolescents and young adults mostly after they’ve received their second Covid-19 vaccine shot, citing the most recent data available.

There have been more than 1,200 cases of a myocarditis or pericarditis mostly in people 30 and under who received Pfizer’s or Moderna’s Covid vaccine, according to a series of slide presentations published Wednesday for a meeting of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices.
In the past, what level of adverse reactions have stopped the testing or rollout of new vaccines?
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by Xan » Wed Jun 23, 2021 10:28 pm

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I'm not sure that's particularly useful without some absolute numbers. Even if Covid goes to almost zero, there will be a "top 10 states for new cases".
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Post by vnatale » Wed Jun 23, 2021 10:39 pm

Xan wrote:
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I'm not sure that's particularly useful without some absolute numbers. Even if Covid goes to almost zero, there will be a "top 10 states for new cases".


I did see some raw numbers for top ten but those were not as meaningful for me as "per".

But, in general, I do like to see both absolute and rate numbers the best. That combination usually presents the best story....
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by vnatale » Wed Jun 23, 2021 10:45 pm

Xan wrote:
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I'm not sure that's particularly useful without some absolute numbers. Even if Covid goes to almost zero, there will be a "top 10 states for new cases".


Is it possible everything you'd want to know might be here?

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by Kriegsspiel » Mon Jun 28, 2021 7:28 pm

15:00 talk by a Texas Tech economist about how economists would look at the coronavirus response. I especially liked his thoughts starting around 7:10 on why, if anyone, old and vulnerable people should have been the ones locked away instead of young healthy people (but that really, everyone should have been left to their own choices).
"You haven't, I suppose, ever mixed with politicians at close quarters. They're awful. I think some of these must have been the dregs anyhow, but I've discovered, what previously I didn't believe possible, that politicians behave in private life and say exactly the same things as they do in public. Their stupidity is inhuman.
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Post by vnatale » Mon Jun 28, 2021 10:46 pm

From the book: Preventable

"As the death toll climbed in March, Trump began to use the worst-case numbers to make the claim that his actions—primarily banning travel from China—saved many lives: in late March it was “tens of thousands”; by early April it was “hundreds of thousands”;13 in July that number was millions.14 Of course, Trump didn’t actually ban all travel from China. As mentioned in the introduction, nearly 40,000 people traveled to the United States from China without quarantine in the months after the supposed travel ban.15 And much of the worst of the virus came to the United States not from China but from Europe.16 Some parts of the world that maintained travel with China, such as Hong Kong, did far better than the United States. In truth, Trump didn’t do much of anything to reduce the spread."
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by boglerdude » Wed Jun 30, 2021 5:45 am

"The speaker slammed President Trump, claiming, “His denial at the beginning was deadly.”
hmm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFCzoXhNM6c

https://www.latimes.com/california/stor ... sk-indoors

We're vaccinated. It's over. I dont know if LA Times has an agenda, or is so broke they resort to clickbait/fear-porn. I mean, millions of people DO want the lockdown to continue.
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Post by I Shrugged » Wed Jun 30, 2021 7:53 am

Well Trump lives inside the heads of millions of progressives. Every time he says something or even gets mentioned, they have a collective blood pressure rise.
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Post by jalanlong » Wed Jun 30, 2021 12:15 pm

boglerdude wrote:
Wed Jun 30, 2021 5:45 am
"The speaker slammed President Trump, claiming, “His denial at the beginning was deadly.”
hmm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFCzoXhNM6c

https://www.latimes.com/california/stor ... sk-indoors

We're vaccinated. It's over. I dont know if LA Times has an agenda, or is so broke they resort to clickbait/fear-porn. I mean, millions of people DO want the lockdown to continue.
This last week was the first week in over a year I haven't seen someone in their car by themselves or out walking alone wearing a mask. Most places I go now (with the exception of a large grocery store) people are maskless. The masked are definitely becoming the minority here.

I did find this funny:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMAWx4mYdxg
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by Tortoise » Wed Jun 30, 2021 6:42 pm

Looks like JAMA just published a German study showing that schoolchildren shouldn't be forced to wear masks since the evidence supporting it is "weak", and doing so tends to elevate inhaled CO2 to unsafe levels as defined by the German government:

Experimental Assessment of Carbon Dioxide Content in Inhaled Air With or Without Face Masks in Healthy Children
We measured means (SDs) between 13 120 (384) and 13 910 (374) ppm of carbon dioxide in inhaled air under surgical and filtering facepiece 2 (FFP2) masks, which is higher than what is already deemed unacceptable by the German Federal Environmental Office by a factor of 6.
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by sophie » Thu Jul 01, 2021 8:26 am

Tortoise wrote:
Wed Jun 30, 2021 6:42 pm
Looks like JAMA just published a German study showing that schoolchildren shouldn't be forced to wear masks since the evidence supporting it is "weak", and doing so tends to elevate inhaled CO2 to unsafe levels as defined by the German government:

Experimental Assessment of Carbon Dioxide Content in Inhaled Air With or Without Face Masks in Healthy Children
We measured means (SDs) between 13 120 (384) and 13 910 (374) ppm of carbon dioxide in inhaled air under surgical and filtering facepiece 2 (FFP2) masks, which is higher than what is already deemed unacceptable by the German Federal Environmental Office by a factor of 6.
Glad someone was brave enough to publish that! The thing is, all that was already well known for years. It's why OSHA mandates increased oxygen pressure in operating rooms where people are wearing surgical masks for prolonged periods.

But, that which is old becomes new again and it's good to underscore something that everyone is trying hard to forget.
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by flyingpylon » Thu Jul 01, 2021 8:34 am

jalanlong wrote:
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Many people don't understand what the vaccines are designed to do. All they do is reduce the severity of symptoms. They don't prevent infection or transmission to others.
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by Xan » Thu Jul 01, 2021 9:08 am

flyingpylon wrote:
Thu Jul 01, 2021 8:34 am
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Many people don't understand what the vaccines are designed to do. All they do is reduce the severity of symptoms. They don't prevent infection or transmission to others.
They do both; they're better at the former than the latter, though.
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Post by murphy_p_t » Fri Jul 02, 2021 12:03 pm

I Shrugged wrote:
Wed Jun 30, 2021 7:53 am
Well Trump lives inside the heads of millions of progressives. Every time he says something or even gets mentioned, they have a collective blood pressure rise.
His single most edifying characteristic
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by vnatale » Fri Jul 02, 2021 7:52 pm

From the book: Nightmare Scenario...


"Throughout Trump’s time in the hospital, his doctors consulted with the task force medical experts whom the president had long ago discarded. They talked to Fauci, Hahn, and Redfield, seeking their input and advice about his treatment. At one point Trump even called Fauci to discuss his condition and stress how great he thought the monoclonal antibody was that he had received. Trump added that it was miraculous how quickly it made him feel much better. White House aides may have disparaged Fauci and resented the fact that they could never get him to stay on script when he went on television, but he was still the doctor they all wanted when they got sick.

People all over the world were watching developments in suspense. Trump supporters set up camp outside Walter Reed, holding signs and praying for the president’s recovery. They brought flowers and signs reading FEEL BETTER MR. PRESIDENT and TRUMP WAS SENT FROM GOD!

People close to Mark Meadows said that he was consumed with fear that Trump might die."
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Post by Maddy » Fri Jul 02, 2021 8:02 pm

vnatale wrote:
Fri Jul 02, 2021 7:52 pm
White House aides may have disparaged Fauci and resented the fact that they could never get him to stay on script when he went on television, but he was still the doctor they all wanted when they got sick.
Well hell yeah, if he invented the damned thing.
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by vnatale » Sat Jul 03, 2021 8:32 am

Journal Retracts Terrible Study That Claimed Widespread Covid-19 Vaccine Deaths

The study, based on misrepresented safety data, argued that vaccines would kill two people for every three lives they saved.


https://gizmodo.com/journal-retracts-te ... 1847219596
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Post by Kriegsspiel » Sat Jul 03, 2021 10:09 am

Here's a short (3 minute) video about the "delta variant." Unless he somehow manipulated the numbers, it doesn't look like a big deal (or even just a regular deal) at all.
"You haven't, I suppose, ever mixed with politicians at close quarters. They're awful. I think some of these must have been the dregs anyhow, but I've discovered, what previously I didn't believe possible, that politicians behave in private life and say exactly the same things as they do in public. Their stupidity is inhuman.
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