Will Trump be Re-elected?

[doodle]

It seems to me that you are putting forth a view that can be followed by half of the people.
But you are not going to convince the other half of the people.
Lindsey Graham and Colin Powell are big names in Politics, Yes I can name names also that are on Trumps side of this impeachment process and see it as a Kangaroo Court.
Nancy can have a House Vote but she has chosen not to Vote in the Impeachment matter. (WHY)?
Granted she does not have to Vote on impeachment but given previous impeachments this was the case.
I will let the courts decide.

Also having a Big ego does not prove you are wrong. One of the early computer Spaghetti Models had a track of the Hurricane going into the Gulf..
Now as I type this out I know it probably will not change your mind just like the other half of the people.

But I do wonder sometimes, What is inside people that would have them dislike Trump so strongly.

Just a FYI. I do NOT see Trump as a Republican. Republicans screwed the U.S. along with the Dems for years.
People were VERY tired of being Lied to by the Elites. This is just one reason Trump is President.
But it seems The Elites are still Lying to the people...

I'm no fan of political elites, but Trump isnt the answer. He is a tantrum in human form. The man is a con artist. Have you spoken with people who have personally worked for him? I have worked with two and both said he was the biggest scumbag they ever dealt with and these were non political comments...he literally stiffed them for work they had done. Listen to members of his staff from Tillerson to Kelly...they basically say he is an imbecile. Look into his relationship with Deutsche Bank, how many investors he has bilked through lies and deception. The man has been involved in thousands of lawsuits. What exactly makes you think this man is going to clean up corruption? Seriously?

I Don't see Trump cleaning up Corruption... It goes to deep..
But would the people have seen the amount of Corruption that has been exposed so far in the Government, with any other candidate?
Again you present Political/Business people that don't like him. Just as other Political/Business people do like him.

Edit. I bring up Political/Business peoples opinions as just that, opinions.
People I don't know and trust. They have agendas just like Elites and why should I believe what they are saying.

These aren't just any political / business people these are literally the people that he used to staff his administration who worked with Trump and to use the words of Don McGahn his former counsel, he has repeatedly asked them to do "crazy shit" and by crazy he means illegal. You think Trump has any regard for the rule of law? This isn't an us vs them issue. Democrats abuse power just as those across the aisle but Trump is in another league. I cannot understand how this is not completely obvious at this point. How many former staff members need to come out and say the guy is unhinged for Trump's faithful minions to come around to the facts?

[technovelist]

TDS is a terrible affliction. I hope you sufferers get help soon or you will probably be suicidal when he is re-elected in a landslide next year.

[shekels]

I'm no fan of political elites, but Trump isnt the answer. He is a tantrum in human form. The man is a con artist. Have you spoken with people who have personally worked for him? I have worked with two and both said he was the biggest scumbag they ever dealt with and these were non political comments...he literally stiffed them for work they had done. Listen to members of his staff from Tillerson to Kelly...they basically say he is an imbecile. Look into his relationship with Deutsche Bank, how many investors he has bilked through lies and deception. The man has been involved in thousands of lawsuits. What exactly makes you think this man is going to clean up corruption? Seriously?

I Don't see Trump cleaning up Corruption... It goes to deep..
But would the people have seen the amount of Corruption that has been exposed so far in the Government, with any other candidate?
Again you present Political/Business people that don't like him. Just as other Political/Business people do like him.

Edit. I bring up Political/Business peoples opinions as just that, opinions.
People I don't know and trust. They have agendas just like Elites and why should I believe what they are saying.

These aren't just any political / business people these are literally the people that he used to staff his administration who worked with Trump and to use the words of Don McGahn his former counsel, he has repeatedly asked them to do "crazy shit" and by crazy he means illegal. You think Trump has any regard for the rule of law? This isn't an us vs them issue. Democrats abuse power just as those across the aisle but Trump is in another league. I cannot understand how this is not completely obvious at this point. How many former staff members need to come out and say the guy is unhinged for Trump's faithful minions to come around to the facts?

Again, do you know these people.. Have you Talked to them.. Do you know if they have an AXE to grind..
Then I guess, Now you have decided to take that McGahn's opinion as a fact.
What about Bill Barr or Rudy Giuliani what are their opinions, and does it matter?
So Nancy can have a House Vote. but she has chosen not to Vote in the Impeachment matter. I again ask (WHY)?

[Cortopassi]

All I wanted was a person who marginally improves the American condition, in whatever respects are important to you, and was someone who my kids and I could at least respect, if not look up to.

I think he's done some good things, but has failed on the debt, as it seems all presidents of either party fail. They all talk a good game before elected, then increase the debt with services or tax cuts or whatever.

On the second point he has been a disaster. If there truly are 30-40% of people out there who respect him, and are fine with the way he bullies and belittles people, and gives out middle school bully nicknames, I feel sorry for this country. He has done nothing to help unify the country. Democrats certainly have done nothing either.

They all suck (I think I ended a previous post with this as well) and we all deserve better, almost across the board.

[doodle]

I can understand someone who makes the argument that the ends justify the means when it comes to politics, but when it comes to Trump I'm not really sure what the end vision is. He is a horrible communicator, and his exaggeration which borders on ouright dishonesty makes me question even more what the truth is. If he can throw his weight around to influence NOAA scientists or pressure/bully the federal reserve who knows what to believe about any economic stats coming out of his executive departments. I'm no defender of the Democratic party...but it is so glaringly obvious how bad a leader he is that I frankly cannot understand how he still has 40 percent support. I started off as an optimist but his behavior has pushed me further and further away and I can no longer stomach his administration. I'm sorry shekels, when literally dozens of his staff come out and all say he is mentally unstable, (and then he tweets things about his great and unmatched wisdom....and talking about anihilitaing turkeys economy) it only provides first-hand evidence of how right they are. One doesn't even need to listen to others account of the man, just read his Twitter feed straight out of his mouth....if that isn't enough to convince you that he doesn't possess any leadership qualities much less a shred of dignity I don't know what will. At that point this becomes a religious debate and as he has said he could stand in fifth avenue and shoot someone and not lose any voters....yep, our president actually said that....I guess you count among those.

[flyingpylon]

All I wanted... ...was someone who my kids and I could at least respect, if not look up to.

I'll admit I'm highly cynical, but this is where I think many people are simply expecting too much.

I also question how much respect and reverence of previous presidents and other officials is the result of subsequent myth-making vs reality.

[shekels]

All I wanted was a person who marginally improves the American condition, in whatever respects are important to you, and was someone who my kids and I could at least respect, if not look up to.

I think he's done some good things, but has failed on the debt, as it seems all presidents of either party fail. They all talk a good game before elected, then increase the debt with services or tax cuts or whatever.

On the second point he has been a disaster. If there truly are 30-40% of people out there who respect him, and are fine with the way he bullies and belittles people, and gives out middle school bully nicknames, I feel sorry for this country. He has done nothing to help unify the country. Democrats certainly have done nothing either.

They all suck (I think I ended a previous post with this as well) and we all deserve better, almost across the board.

I agree that the citizens deserve better.
But as the majority of citizens are expecting something for nothing, and voting for who promises them more
the Debt will keep rising.
As the citizens vote to raise their living standards,and who gives them the best deals
there will be Government there to provide.
So who is their right mind would want to be President that has the respect of the people?

[shekels]

I can understand someone who makes the argument that the ends justify the means when it comes to politics, but when it comes to Trump I'm not really sure what the end vision is. He is a horrible communicator, and his exaggeration which borders on ouright dishonesty makes me question even more what the truth is. If he can throw his weight around to influence NOAA scientists or pressure/bully the federal reserve who knows what to believe about any economic stats coming out of his executive departments. I'm no defender of the Democratic party...but it is so glaringly obvious how bad a leader he is that I frankly cannot understand how he still has 40 percent support. I started off as an optimist but his behavior has pushed me further and further away and I can no longer stomach his administration. I'm sorry shekels, when literally dozens of his staff come out and all say he is mentally unstable, (and then he tweets things about his great and unmatched wisdom....and talking about anihilitaing turkeys economy) it only provides first-hand evidence of how right they are. One doesn't even need to listen to others account of the man, just read his Twitter feed straight out of his mouth....if that isn't enough to convince you that he doesn't possess any leadership qualities much less a shred of dignity I don't know what will. At that point this becomes a religious debate and as he has said he could stand in fifth avenue and shoot someone and not lose any voters....yep, our president actually said that....I guess you count among those.

I know what Trump said. But obviously you are not listening.
So Nancy can have a House Vote. but she has chosen not to Vote in the Impeachment matter. I ask again (WHY)?

[doodle]

I can understand someone who makes the argument that the ends justify the means when it comes to politics, but when it comes to Trump I'm not really sure what the end vision is. He is a horrible communicator, and his exaggeration which borders on ouright dishonesty makes me question even more what the truth is. If he can throw his weight around to influence NOAA scientists or pressure/bully the federal reserve who knows what to believe about any economic stats coming out of his executive departments. I'm no defender of the Democratic party...but it is so glaringly obvious how bad a leader he is that I frankly cannot understand how he still has 40 percent support. I started off as an optimist but his behavior has pushed me further and further away and I can no longer stomach his administration. I'm sorry shekels, when literally dozens of his staff come out and all say he is mentally unstable, (and then he tweets things about his great and unmatched wisdom....and talking about anihilitaing turkeys economy) it only provides first-hand evidence of how right they are. One doesn't even need to listen to others account of the man, just read his Twitter feed straight out of his mouth....if that isn't enough to convince you that he doesn't possess any leadership qualities much less a shred of dignity I don't know what will. At that point this becomes a religious debate and as he has said he could stand in fifth avenue and shoot someone and not lose any voters....yep, our president actually said that....I guess you count among those.

I know what Trump said. But obviously you are not listening.
So Nancy can have a House Vote. but she has chosen not to Vote in the Impeachment matter. I ask again (WHY)?

I can't channel the inner thoughts of Nancy Pelosi but I imagine they feel there is a lot more evidence to be gathered. The administration is stonewalling the process to the point where I wouldn't be surprised if some members of administration are found to be in contempt ...like Mike Pompeo who thinks he can just ignore house oversight committees. The Watergate scandal played out over the course of a year, this might take a while.

[flyingpylon]

I’m not a Constitutional scholar, don’t play one on TV, and didn’t stay at a Holiday Inn last night. But this thread regarding the House “subpoenas” and their enforceability sounds interesting. No idea if it actually holds up.

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1182 ... 98982.html

[shekels]

I can understand someone who makes the argument that the ends justify the means when it comes to politics, but when it comes to Trump I'm not really sure what the end vision is. He is a horrible communicator, and his exaggeration which borders on ouright dishonesty makes me question even more what the truth is. If he can throw his weight around to influence NOAA scientists or pressure/bully the federal reserve who knows what to believe about any economic stats coming out of his executive departments. I'm no defender of the Democratic party...but it is so glaringly obvious how bad a leader he is that I frankly cannot understand how he still has 40 percent support. I started off as an optimist but his behavior has pushed me further and further away and I can no longer stomach his administration. I'm sorry shekels, when literally dozens of his staff come out and all say he is mentally unstable, (and then he tweets things about his great and unmatched wisdom....and talking about anihilitaing turkeys economy) it only provides first-hand evidence of how right they are. One doesn't even need to listen to others account of the man, just read his Twitter feed straight out of his mouth....if that isn't enough to convince you that he doesn't possess any leadership qualities much less a shred of dignity I don't know what will. At that point this becomes a religious debate and as he has said he could stand in fifth avenue and shoot someone and not lose any voters....yep, our president actually said that....I guess you count among those.

I know what Trump said. But obviously you are not listening.
So Nancy can have a House Vote. but she has chosen not to Vote in the Impeachment matter. I ask again (WHY)?

I can't channel the inner thoughts of Nancy Pelosi but I imagine they feel there is a lot more evidence to be gathered. The administration is stonewalling the process to the point where I wouldn't be surprised if some members of administration are found to be in contempt ...like Mike Pompeo who thinks he can just ignore house oversight committees. The Watergate scandal played out over the course of a year, this might take a while.

Nancy wants to advance Public Sentiment to unseat the President of the United States.
After the Mueller investigation did not turn out like they wanted.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEXFW8mDQnk

As you can see the Nancy and her Messengers are doing a good job.
YOU already have the belief of stonewalling and possible contempt charges by the administration..

So without a vote, Nancy and her Media emissaries can Play out her staged performance in front of a willing audience.
and has stopped Trump and Administration to mount a forceful defense.

If a House vote is taken and the majority vote to impeach,then Nancy of course knows the Constitution specifies that an impeached President is entitled to a trial in the Senate.

So Nancy seems to be Wrapping herself up in the Constitution, and Rule of Law while denying a President and Administration a Defense.
Corrupt Politics, and half of the citizens are accepting The President of the United States should be Impeached/Removed.

according to your Link:
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fox-ne ... mpeachment

So what are we to Expect when the Shoes are on the other Feet?

[I Shrugged]

All I wanted... ...was someone who my kids and I could at least respect, if not look up to.

I'll admit I'm highly cynical, but this is where I think many people are simply expecting too much.

I also question how much respect and reverence of previous presidents and other officials is the result of subsequent myth-making vs reality.

Exactly. We are conditioned to admire our Presidents. Go Team, Go! Most of them have been psychologically defective, or at a minimum, duplicitous swampers.
To me, Jimmy Carter is the most admirable of the past 60 years. But when he was in office I thought he was a well-meaning fool.

In any event, I think it is better to point out to one's kids the flaws of all of our politicians. Don't buy into the reverence for these bums.