stuper1 wrote: Kriegsspiel wrote:
stuper1 wrote:The whole idea that Russia is a credible threat to the U.S. is laughable on its face, and thus it seems obvious to me that it's just another bogeyman manufactured by the establishment media on behalf of the military-industrial complex.
In capability, or intent?
Seems like a curious statement, regardless.
Both. What is their annual budget for military spending versus ours? Of course, they still have nuclear weapons, and so do we. Mutually Assured Destruction still applies.
A lot of US military spending is wasted (Smedley would agree, I think), whereas the Russian budget is more constrained and wisely spent. The Russians have good electronic warfare capabilities, and good psyops and information operations. They also have a lot of organized crime and computer geeks. Software, like bombs, can damage nuclear plants, electrical grids, corporations, government agencies. Basically, warfare probably won't look like it has in the past. So that's why I think it's naive to think Russia has laughable capabilities.
Regarding intent, are we seriously afraid that Putin is going to invade America? It's just laughable.
Of course, they are tinkering around the edges to try to get an advantage militarily and/or economically, but we do the same to them, and every other major country in the world does it too, even to their allies.
LOL, yes. They wouldn't charge into our teeth like retards. Russia is not capable
of invading and occupying the US like they did with Crimea, and they certainly don't want to. If their intent
is to damage the US, there are tactics with much lower risk and higher upside to employ. I think this is what you meant by "tinkering around the edges," but where our opinions differ is that I think the "tinkering" stuff has become powerful enough to be a viable tactic in its own right. Talking, again, about psyops, hacking/sabotage, special operations.
We might just be talking past each other in what our definitions of "threats" are.
The Cold War is over. We aren't fighting the specter of worldwide Communism anymore, although even that was mainly just a pretense.
It seems like you are still thinking like a Cold Warrior, wrt budgets, nuclear weapons.
We actually have a lot in common culturally with Russia. There is no reason for us to be in conflict with them.
Americans had a lot in common with Germany and Italy in the 1940s too
I think we'd both agree that the US and Russia have common enemies (Islamists) that we could work together against.