Sprott Intends to Make Exchange Offers for Central GoldTrust and Silver Bullion

Discussion of the Gold portion of the Permanent Portfolio

Moderator: Global Moderator

User avatar
dualstow
Executive Member
Executive Member
Posts: 14280
Joined: Wed Oct 27, 2010 10:18 am
Location: synagogue of Satan
Contact:

Re: Sprott Intends to Make Exchange Offers for Central GoldTrust and Silver Bullion

Post by dualstow »

Showed up in Vanguard Jan 20. Well, I guess it showed up today (21st), but in transaction history, the Corp Action is 1/20.
🍍
LazyInvestor
Executive Member
Executive Member
Posts: 193
Joined: Thu Aug 02, 2012 5:37 am

Re: Sprott Intends to Make Exchange Offers for Central GoldTrust and Silver Bullion

Post by LazyInvestor »

Just got rid of all my PHYS!
Reub
Executive Member
Executive Member
Posts: 3158
Joined: Fri Jan 21, 2011 5:44 pm

Re: Sprott Intends to Make Exchange Offers for Central GoldTrust and Silver Bullion

Post by Reub »

Why? PHYS has been performing just as well as GLD, or IAU. Why get rid of it?
dragoncar
Executive Member
Executive Member
Posts: 1111
Joined: Wed Aug 10, 2011 7:23 pm

Re: Sprott Intends to Make Exchange Offers for Central GoldTrust and Silver Bullion

Post by dragoncar »

Picked up some CEF to tax loss harvest the PHYS.  At around 5% discount, I'm ready for a takeover now!  I know it isn't pure PP, but I'm only planning to hold for a month (although I'll see how I feel in a month).  Hopefully this is kosher with wash sale rules, as I suppose the gold component could be considered equivalent, but they are certainly very different securities given all the other differences in management, etc.
Libertarian666
Executive Member
Executive Member
Posts: 5994
Joined: Wed Dec 31, 1969 6:00 pm

Re: Sprott Intends to Make Exchange Offers for Central GoldTrust and Silver Bullion

Post by Libertarian666 »

Reub wrote: Why? PHYS has been performing just as well as GLD, or IAU. Why get rid of it?
The reason I got rid of my GTU as soon as it was taken over by Sprott is that I don't want to do business with people who use such tactics as Sprott uses. Performance is secondary to that.
Reub
Executive Member
Executive Member
Posts: 3158
Joined: Fri Jan 21, 2011 5:44 pm

Re: Sprott Intends to Make Exchange Offers for Central GoldTrust and Silver Bullion

Post by Reub »

I would have sold my PHYS also but it's been up so much recently that I don't want to incur the taxes. :)
dragoncar
Executive Member
Executive Member
Posts: 1111
Joined: Wed Aug 10, 2011 7:23 pm

Re: Sprott Intends to Make Exchange Offers for Central GoldTrust and Silver Bullion

Post by dragoncar »

Reub wrote: I would have sold my PHYS also but it's been up so much recently that I don't want to incur the taxes. :)
Image
Reub
Executive Member
Executive Member
Posts: 3158
Joined: Fri Jan 21, 2011 5:44 pm

Re: Sprott Intends to Make Exchange Offers for Central GoldTrust and Silver Bullion

Post by Reub »

Yes I do but I had a gain because I tax loss harvested out of IAU not that long ago and into GTU, which became PHYS.
dragoncar
Executive Member
Executive Member
Posts: 1111
Joined: Wed Aug 10, 2011 7:23 pm

Re: Sprott Intends to Make Exchange Offers for Central GoldTrust and Silver Bullion

Post by dragoncar »

Earlier, I sold some phys and picked up CEF for tax loss harvesting. I've had it more than a month, but held on because it was performing fine and had a decent discount to NAV. Recently, the discount has closed by a few percent (still no premium). Should I just switch back? During brexit, it lagged gold a bit but seemed to do its job fine
Libertarian666
Executive Member
Executive Member
Posts: 5994
Joined: Wed Dec 31, 1969 6:00 pm

Re: Sprott Intends to Make Exchange Offers for Central GoldTrust and Silver Bullion

Post by Libertarian666 »

dragoncar wrote:Earlier, I sold some phys and picked up CEF for tax loss harvesting. I've had it more than a month, but held on because it was performing fine and had a decent discount to NAV. Recently, the discount has closed by a few percent (still no premium). Should I just switch back? During brexit, it lagged gold a bit but seemed to do its job fine
I like CEF, partly because it has silver, and partly because its tax treatment is supposed to be the same as normal capital gains, not the "collectibles" rate.
User avatar
MachineGhost
Executive Member
Executive Member
Posts: 10054
Joined: Sat Nov 12, 2011 9:31 am

Re: Sprott Intends to Make Exchange Offers for Central GoldTrust and Silver Bullion

Post by MachineGhost »

Libertarian666 wrote:I like CEF, partly because it has silver, and partly because its tax treatment is supposed to be the same as normal capital gains, not the "collectibles" rate.
Does that mean you can get the 0% capital gains rate if you're in the right bracket instead of your income tax rate?
"All generous minds have a horror of what are commonly called 'Facts'. They are the brute beasts of the intellectual domain." -- Thomas Hobbes

Disclaimer: I am not a broker, dealer, investment advisor, physician, theologian or prophet.  I should not be considered as legally permitted to render such advice!
dragoncar
Executive Member
Executive Member
Posts: 1111
Joined: Wed Aug 10, 2011 7:23 pm

Re: Sprott Intends to Make Exchange Offers for Central GoldTrust and Silver Bullion

Post by dragoncar »

yes, its the same deal as GTU was

although I only have it in tax-deferred right now (but that saves me from having to file that stupid form I hate)
Libertarian666
Executive Member
Executive Member
Posts: 5994
Joined: Wed Dec 31, 1969 6:00 pm

Re: Sprott Intends to Make Exchange Offers for Central GoldTrust and Silver Bullion

Post by Libertarian666 »

MachineGhost wrote:
Libertarian666 wrote:I like CEF, partly because it has silver, and partly because its tax treatment is supposed to be the same as normal capital gains, not the "collectibles" rate.
Does that mean you can get the 0% capital gains rate if you're in the right bracket instead of your income tax rate?
Yes, that is my understanding, as long as you file the correct 8621 forms every year.
Post Reply