Sprott Intends to Make Exchange Offers for Central GoldTrust and Silver Bullion

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MangoMan wrote:
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MangoMan wrote: Maybe I'm not fully understanding this tender offer vs the Polar takeover, but what would be the downside to doing the NAV to NAV swap to Sprott, selling the shares to capture the gain, and then repurchasing GTU later if the whole trust doesn't get taken over?
Nothing, assuming that your transaction doesn't tip over the result to having GTU be taken over when it wouldn't otherwise.
That's a pretty small risk for most unit-holders.
So you are recommending accepting the tender offer [and planning on doing so with your own shares]?
I'm still thinking about it.
I don't see a lot of downside other than having my shares tied up for a month while they try to get 2/3rds. And actually I can revoke my acceptance during that time if some terrible emergency came up and I needed the money.
Of course, if I knew that the offer was going to be successful, I'd buy some more shares and tender them too, as long as there is still a significant discount, but of course no one knows that until the end (except maybe Sprott).
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The Board of directors at GTU recommends that unit holders do nothing until they properly evaluate the offer. Which they will, after that, act in what you think is in your best interest.  For me personally I see no long term advantage to Sprott only disadvantages. 
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steve wrote: The Board of directors at GTU recommends that unit holders do nothing until they properly evaluate the offer. Which they will, after that, act in what you think is in your best interest.  For me personally I see no long term advantage to Sprott only disadvantages.
I would also prefer that GTU stay the way it is, but I don't have much control over that.
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Central GoldTrust Files Trustees' Circular and Recommends That Unitholders REJECT the Sprott Offer, TAKE NO ACTION and DO NOT TENDER Their Units to the Sprott Offer
"After a thorough review of the Sprott Offer, and following the receipt of advice from its financial, tax and legal advisors, and the UNANIMOUS recommendation of the members of the Special Committee of Independent Trustees, the Board of Trustees of GoldTrust reached the conclusion that the Sprott Offer is opportunistic and not in the best interests of GoldTrust and its Unitholders.




Unitholders who have already tendered their Units to the Sprott Offer can withdraw their Units by contacting their broker or D.F. King & Co., North America Toll-Free at 1-800-251-7519



http://www.gold-trust.com/Press%20Relea ... 0Final.pdf
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steve wrote: Central GoldTrust Files Trustees' Circular and Recommends That Unitholders REJECT the Sprott Offer, TAKE NO ACTION and DO NOT TENDER Their Units to the Sprott Offer
"After a thorough review of the Sprott Offer, and following the receipt of advice from its financial, tax and legal advisors, and the UNANIMOUS recommendation of the members of the Special Committee of Independent Trustees, the Board of Trustees of GoldTrust reached the conclusion that the Sprott Offer is opportunistic and not in the best interests of GoldTrust and its Unitholders.




Unitholders who have already tendered their Units to the Sprott Offer can withdraw their Units by contacting their broker or D.F. King & Co., North America Toll-Free at 1-800-251-7519



http://www.gold-trust.com/Press%20Relea ... 0Final.pdf
Of course they would say that, since they will lose their cushy low-to-no work jobs "managing" a fund that doesn't require any management.
This is not to say they aren't right, just that they aren't unbiased.
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Libertarian666 wrote:
steve wrote: Central GoldTrust Files Trustees' Circular and Recommends That Unitholders REJECT the Sprott Offer, TAKE NO ACTION and DO NOT TENDER Their Units to the Sprott Offer
"After a thorough review of the Sprott Offer, and following the receipt of advice from its financial, tax and legal advisors, and the UNANIMOUS recommendation of the members of the Special Committee of Independent Trustees, the Board of Trustees of GoldTrust reached the conclusion that the Sprott Offer is opportunistic and not in the best interests of GoldTrust and its Unitholders.




Unitholders who have already tendered their Units to the Sprott Offer can withdraw their Units by contacting their broker or D.F. King & Co., North America Toll-Free at 1-800-251-7519



http://www.gold-trust.com/Press%20Relea ... 0Final.pdf
Of course they would say that, since they will lose their cushy low-to-no work jobs "managing" a fund that doesn't require any management.
This is not to say they aren't right, just that they aren't unbiased.
This is all a conspiracy to generate fees for Bennett Jones LLP, CIBC World Markets, and Dentons Canada LLP
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As I have said, the trustees are going to have to do something about the discount if they don't want a future takeover to succeed. Apparently they know that too, as indicated in this quote from the circular:

Ian McAvity, Lead Independent Trustee commented: “The Trustees understand that the unusually elevated discounts to
NAV at which GoldTrust Units have recently traded are of concern to investors; however, Sprott’s opportunistic offer is
not  the  solution.  We  are  actively  considering  a  number  of  potential  measures,  including  possible  amendments  to  the
existing cash redemption feature  of GoldTrust,  which could potentially reduce future  trading price  discounts to NAV.
Among the factors guiding the Trustees' analysis of such measures are the accessibility of any amended features to all
Unitholders,  the  necessity  that  any  such  measures  be  accretive  to  non-redeeming  Unitholders  and  the  potential  tax
liabilities to Unitholders in connection therewith.”
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Ok, I've decided not to tender my units, after reading the message from the trustees. It looks like Sprott is trying to pull a fast one by bypassing the normal governance rules for the trust and misrepresenting what they are actually asking the unitholders to do, and I don't like dealing with people like that.
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Libertarian666 wrote: Ok, I've decided not to tender my units, after reading the message from the trustees. It looks like Sprott is trying to pull a fast one by bypassing the normal governance rules for the trust and misrepresenting what they are actually asking the unitholders to do, and I don't like dealing with people like that.
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MachineGhost wrote:
Libertarian666 wrote: Ok, I've decided not to tender my units, after reading the message from the trustees. It looks like Sprott is trying to pull a fast one by bypassing the normal governance rules for the trust and misrepresenting what they are actually asking the unitholders to do, and I don't like dealing with people like that.
Was I right or was I right?  :P
I'm surprised anyone would have "already tendered" their units.  Tech, what were the pros in your analysis?
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dragoncar wrote:
MachineGhost wrote:
Libertarian666 wrote: Ok, I've decided not to tender my units, after reading the message from the trustees. It looks like Sprott is trying to pull a fast one by bypassing the normal governance rules for the trust and misrepresenting what they are actually asking the unitholders to do, and I don't like dealing with people like that.
Was I right or was I right?  :P
I'm surprised anyone would have "already tendered" their units.  Tech, what were the pros in your analysis?
There really is only one "pro", namely being able to cash out in the near future at NAV or nearly so, and even that is not guaranteed given the terms of the offer, as the trustees have pointed out.

Since I don't need to cash out any time in the foreseeable future, and in fact am buying more GTU, that isn't very compelling. :P
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Well, all of my GTU holdings are in retirement accounts so I plan to accept the tender offer.  I have no tax issues.  I have always tried to buy gold as directly as possible.  Over many years, the problem of the dearth of viable gold retirement account vehicles became one of the more vexing problems I experienced sticking with the PP as retirement accounts came to dominate my holding "spaces". 

I don't particularly like Sprott, but whether they or anyone else make a "huge" profit on the deal is irrelevant to me.  I may well end up transferring the holdings over to one of the major gold ETFs.

I have bought GTU several times over the years simply because it occasionally traded at a substantial discount to spot gold and I believed it to be very safe (from a fraud perspective).  I doubt it will every trade at much of a premium again since there are so many other vehicles of relatively recent advent that trade at NAV and can be traded easily in "normal" brokerage accounts.

Basically, this offer is what I've been waiting to happen. 



     
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HB Reader wrote: Well, all of my GTU holdings are in retirement accounts so I plan to accept the tender offer.  I have no tax issues.  I have always tried to buy gold as directly as possible.  Over many years, the problem of the dearth of viable gold retirement account vehicles became one of the more vexing problems I experienced sticking with the PP as retirement accounts came to dominate my holding "spaces". 

I don't particularly like Sprott, but whether they or anyone else make a "huge" profit on the deal is irrelevant to me.  I may well end up transferring the holdings over to one of the major gold ETFs.

I have bought GTU several times over the years simply because it occasionally traded at a substantial discount to spot gold and I believed it to be very safe (from a fraud perspective).  I doubt it will every trade at much of a premium again since there are so many other vehicles of relatively recent advent that trade at NAV and can be traded easily in "normal" brokerage accounts.

Basically, this offer is what I've been waiting to happen. 



   
Which other options are you referring to?

Shouldn't the discount disappear now since anyone can but GTU and immediately tender? 
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One thing I wasn't quite certain of in the offer is whether the trade is for the current value (including the discount), or at a zero discount.  Does anyone know for certain what "nav to nav basis" means?

At the current discount of -6.3%, I'd lose out since I got some shares at -4%.  It may never trade again at a premium, but there's no reason the discount wouldn't rise to near zero.
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sophie wrote: One thing I wasn't quite certain of in the offer is whether the trade is for the current value (including the discount), or at a zero discount.  Does anyone know for certain what "nav to nav basis" means?

At the current discount of -6.3%, I'd lose out since I got some shares at -4%.  It may never trade again at a premium, but there's no reason the discount wouldn't rise to near zero.
I don't know for certain, but this it what I think it means.  Using yesterday's numbers from the Sprott and GoldTrust websites, one share of GTU had a NAV of $43.50/share and one share of PHYS had a NAV of $9.83/share, so on a NAV-to-NAV basis you would get 4.43 shares (43.50/9.83) of PHYS for your one share of GTU.  Now, that 4.43 shares of PHYS would have been worth $43.46 at the closing price of $9.81/share, and your one share of GTU would have been worth $40.75.  So the gain on doing the swap would have been 6.65%.

As long as the discount on the shares of GTU at the time you bought them is greater that the discount on the shares of PHYS at the time of the swap, I think you will end up profiting on the deal.  Consider it this way:  GTU's discount yesterday was 6.3%; if PHYS's discount was also 6.3%, then the swap would be a wash.  Thus, your purchase of GTU at a discount of 4% should be profitable relative to PHYS's discount yesterday of 0.28%.
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This seems like free money.  What is the catch?  Too late to buy shares and agree to tender?
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I am in full agreement with the trustees of Central Gold Trust, even before they came out and gave the opinion not to tender, I had the same opinion, I'm in this for the long run. The only reason there is a discount to nav is because people who should not have bought it or bought for the wrong reasons want to sell when gold is out of favor and are desperate, think about it if anyone who wanted to sell held fast to a price that was equal or above nav there would be no discount.
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dragoncar wrote:
HB Reader wrote: Well, all of my GTU holdings are in retirement accounts so I plan to accept the tender offer.  I have no tax issues.  I have always tried to buy gold as directly as possible.  Over many years, the problem of the dearth of viable gold retirement account vehicles became one of the more vexing problems I experienced sticking with the PP as retirement accounts came to dominate my holding "spaces". 

I don't particularly like Sprott, but whether they or anyone else make a "huge" profit on the deal is irrelevant to me.  I may well end up transferring the holdings over to one of the major gold ETFs.

I have bought GTU several times over the years simply because it occasionally traded at a substantial discount to spot gold and I believed it to be very safe (from a fraud perspective).  I doubt it will every trade at much of a premium again since there are so many other vehicles of relatively recent advent that trade at NAV and can be traded easily in "normal" brokerage accounts.

Basically, this offer is what I've been waiting to happen. 



   
Which other options are you referring to?

Shouldn't the discount disappear now since anyone can but GTU and immediately tender?
The "other options" I was referring to are the gold ETFs (like GLD and SGOL).  They have only come about in the last dozen years (I've been at this for a long time!).  It used to be that GTU and CEF were the only games in town for retirement accounts, except for very expensive (in terms of fees) bullion dealers that would hold American Eagles for you.

Yes, the GTU discount should disappear if it is taken over by Sprott.  In any case, there are now so many exchange traded options available, I just don't think the old "buy on the discount/sell on the premium" attraction of GTU will offer much opportunity in the future. 

Not sure I answered your question.
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MachineGhost wrote: This seems like free money.  What is the catch?  Too late to buy shares and agree to tender?
No, you can still buy and tender if you want to. However, there are a couple of catches that I have identified.

1. The governance of PHYS seems to be very opaque, unlike that of GTU, and the offer is actually a request for an irrevocable proxy for them to use to replace the trustees, although this is not how it is described in their documents. I don't like those tactics.
2. If you buy at about a 6% discount (as it was recently) and the offer fails, then the discount could widen.
3. PHYS has sold at a discount in the past, according to the trustees, and may do so again when the offer is completed, so you may not get that much (or any) premium.
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Libertarian666 wrote:
MachineGhost wrote: This seems like free money.  What is the catch?  Too late to buy shares and agree to tender?
No, you can still buy and tender if you want to. However, there are a couple of catches that I have identified.

1. The governance of PHYS seems to be very opaque, unlike that of GTU, and the offer is actually a request for an irrevocable proxy for them to use to replace the trustees, although this is not how it is described in their documents. I don't like those tactics.
2. If you buy at about a 6% discount (as it was recently) and the offer fails, then the discount could widen.
3. PHYS has sold at a discount in the past, according to the trustees, and may do so again when the offer is completed, so you may not get that much (or any) premium.
OK so it sounds like the conversion is conditional on enough people tendering.  Not like I can just buy a bunch of GTU right now, exchange it for PHYS, and then sell my PHYS.
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I agree with MachineGhost, it does sound like free money.  Not to mention that once the offer is completed, GTU's discount could well drop further.

PHYS has indeed sold at a discount but per the numbers listed in the 108 page document linked to in the email about the Sprott offer, it's very small compared to GTU.  Currently it's -0.33%.  I'm willing to bet it will drop a bit more at the time the offer is executed, but probably not as low as GTU.  And if that happens you could quickly buy some and then wait for the discount to return to normal.
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Here's an interesting detail from the latest salvo from the GTU trustees in this battle, from http://archive.fast-edgar.com//20150616 ... JZ2W2ZB72/:

"Sprott has required that any GoldTrust Unitholder that wishes to tender to the Sprott Offer on a tax-deferred basis must grant to Sprott Asset Management LP an irrevocable power of attorney to effect the structural changes to GoldTrust necessary to force through their proposed merger transaction. For reasons that Sprott has failed to disclose, this power of attorney becomes irrevocable at 4:58 p.m. on the expiry date, meaning that Sprott maintains voting control over Units tendered on a rollover basis after expiry, even if Sprott has not achieved any or all of the stated conditions to the Sprott Offer or paid GoldTrust Unitholders for their Units. As set out in the Trustees’ Circular, a number of possible scenarios may prevail following the expiry of the Sprott Offer, during any or all of which Unitholders that may have tendered to the Sprott Offer might wish to withdraw their consent to the Sprott Offer or, at least, maintain voting control over Units that have not been taken up by Sprott. Units tendered on a rollover basis are not actually intended to be taken up by Sprott, meaning that Sprott could end up with broad voting control over a significant number of GoldTrust Units without having paid any consideration therefor and with no ability by tendering Unitholders to take back their votes."

That alone is an excellent reason to reject this offer.
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Libertarian666 wrote: Here's an interesting detail from the latest salvo from the GTU trustees in this battle, from http://archive.fast-edgar.com//20150616 ... JZ2W2ZB72/:

"Sprott has required that any GoldTrust Unitholder that wishes to tender to the Sprott Offer on a tax-deferred basis must grant to Sprott Asset Management LP an irrevocable power of attorney to effect the structural changes to GoldTrust necessary to force through their proposed merger transaction. For reasons that Sprott has failed to disclose, this power of attorney becomes irrevocable at 4:58 p.m. on the expiry date, meaning that Sprott maintains voting control over Units tendered on a rollover basis after expiry, even if Sprott has not achieved any or all of the stated conditions to the Sprott Offer or paid GoldTrust Unitholders for their Units. As set out in the Trustees’ Circular, a number of possible scenarios may prevail following the expiry of the Sprott Offer, during any or all of which Unitholders that may have tendered to the Sprott Offer might wish to withdraw their consent to the Sprott Offer or, at least, maintain voting control over Units that have not been taken up by Sprott. Units tendered on a rollover basis are not actually intended to be taken up by Sprott, meaning that Sprott could end up with broad voting control over a significant number of GoldTrust Units without having paid any consideration therefor and with no ability by tendering Unitholders to take back their votes."

That alone is an excellent reason to reject this offer.
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Not sure what this really means, but he sure is cocky.

Rick spoke with us last week while taking a brief break from Sprott's unsolicited bid to acquire all the units of Central GoldTrust (NYSE: GTU) and Silver Bullion Trust (which trades exclusively on the Toronto exchange).

We had a wide-ranging conversation on everything from precious metals and energy to Greece, the U.S. dollar, China and more. But before we could discuss any of those things, Rick first had to wind down from the takeover proceedings surrounding those two precious metals funds.

Sprott already manages two similar funds, Sprott Physical Gold Trust (NYSE: PHYS) and Sprott Physical Silver Trust (NYSE: PSLV). The company made an $898 million offer via a share swap for the two Canadian precious metals trusts in April, figuring it can add plenty of value to the funds, which trade at discounts to their net asset value.

"Our offer is clearly superior," Rick said. "They [the gold and silver trusts] have traded at big discounts to their net asset value for years. The good news is the other side isn't fighting us on the Street... they're fighting us on Bay Street.

"That's not where shareholders live."
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Can anyone explain to me what happened with this in very simple terms?  I really don't understand. 

I used GTU because I felt that they were very transparent and therefor a little easier to trust than some of the ETFs.  Now I don't know what to think. 
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