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Re: New I Bond Rate - May 1, 2015

Posted: Fri May 01, 2015 7:46 pm
by dragoncar
barrett wrote:
dragoncar wrote: Why the sad face?  .8% real is better than 0% real!  I thought people were glad Ibonds couldn't go negative for just this reason.
The composite rate of return on new bonds is 0%, not .8%. Can someone explain to me why anyone would lend the government money for nothing in return? Safer than a bank? A mattress?
Dude, you've been here long enough to understand real vs. nominal return.

Re: New I Bond Rate - May 1, 2015

Posted: Fri May 01, 2015 8:15 pm
by barrett
dragoncar wrote:
barrett wrote:
dragoncar wrote: Why the sad face?  .8% real is better than 0% real!  I thought people were glad Ibonds couldn't go negative for just this reason.
The composite rate of return on new bonds is 0%, not .8%. Can someone explain to me why anyone would lend the government money for nothing in return? Safer than a bank? A mattress?
Dude, you've been here long enough to understand real vs. nominal return.
Right you are. I guess that mental leap to think of a 0% return actually being better than -.8% deflation was just a bit much for me. Forgive me. I have recovered. Have to learn to think like a Japanese or European investor.

Re: New I Bond Rate - May 1, 2015

Posted: Fri May 01, 2015 8:26 pm
by Pointedstick
Looking at http://www.bls.gov/cpi/cpid1503.pdf, it seems like Sophie's right. Excluding food and energy, 1-year CPI is actually +1.8%.

…Which is still really low, but it's not negative.

Re: New I Bond Rate - May 1, 2015

Posted: Sat May 02, 2015 6:16 am
by Desert
Pointedstick wrote: Looking at http://www.bls.gov/cpi/cpid1503.pdf, it seems like Sophie's right. Excluding food and energy, 1-year CPI is actually +1.8%.

…Which is still really low, but it's not negative.
I'm not sure if I'm just repeating the point you made here, but just in case there is confusion: I-bonds and TIPS are based on the CPI-U, which includes food and energy. 

Hyper inflation porn folks like to talk about the core CPI, seemingly to intentionally mislead, saying things like "the CPI includes everything except stuff that's goin' up, like food and energy!" 

Re: New I Bond Rate - May 1, 2015

Posted: Sat May 02, 2015 2:11 pm
by Pet Hog
Bean wrote: Fixed Rate = 0.00%
Inflation Rate = -0.80%
Composite rate = 0.00%


:'(
In case anyone is unaware of how I-Bond rates are calculated, this inflation rate is for the six months from September to March.  Annualized, it's –1.60%.  Even better real return at 0% nominal!

Re: New I Bond Rate - May 1, 2015

Posted: Sat May 02, 2015 4:39 pm
by ochotona
I suppose better than a money market fund that breaks the buck.