Stock scream room

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Re: Stock scream room

Post by Cortopassi » Thu Feb 08, 2018 4:12 pm

whatchamacallit wrote:It might be too early to gauge but stocks going down have the least emotional stress on me versus losing money on bonds and gold.

It might be a possibly irrational belief that they will always go up in the long run and don't feel that way at all about bonds and gold.
Same with me.
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Re: Stock scream room

Post by Mr Vacuum » Thu Feb 08, 2018 4:32 pm

Cortopassi wrote:Where are the tweets? Where is Trump? Aren't the democrats, illegals, someone somewhere responsible for this HUGE stock market drop?

>:D
Here's your tweet, corto. I can't tell who he's blaming after all.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/sta ... 8968622086
In the “old days,” when good news was reported, the Stock Market would go up. Today, when good news is reported, the Stock Market goes down. Big mistake, and we have so much good (great) news about the economy!
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Re: Stock scream room

Post by ochotona » Fri Feb 09, 2018 12:48 pm

SP500 below 200 day moving average. Trendfollowers will start selling...
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Re: Stock scream room

Post by Mr Vacuum » Sun Feb 11, 2018 6:43 pm

Matt Levine on Feb 6. The market fell further after he wrote this, but if you enjoy his column this was the perfect take following on his previous segments on market volatility. (All his columns last week were enjoyable, on various topics)


https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles ... ock-market
People are worried that people aren't worried oh wait no.

On November 30 of last year, the S&P 500 Index closed at a new all-time high of 2647.58, up 18.3 percent for the year thus far. Two days earlier, Bloomberg Markets had published "What to Worry About in This Surreal Bull Market." "Equities keep hitting record highs and volatility hovers near historic lows, all while geopolitical tensions abound," the article began, and then it compiled worries from investors and strategists and pundits who worried that the party would eventually have to end. Would leveraged quant-fund unwinds finally bring down the long bull market? "Some sort of cyber event"? Weaknesses in China's financial system? Stresses to stock-exchange closing auctions? Over-reliance on index funds? Contagion from a Bitcoin crash? Concentration in repo markets? Really anything was possible; a long period of calm optimism had given people a lot of free time to imagine horrible counterfactuals.

Yesterday the S&P 500 closed at 2,648.94, a hair above where it ended last November.

So what to make of it? If you slept through December and January and last week and, above all, yesterday, and you woke up today to find the market up 0.05 percent over the last couple of months, I suppose you might conclude that the surreal bull market had quietly sputtered out. You might go back and re-read that list of worries and be like, well, sure, this list of worries is worrying, I can see why the market stopped being so uniformly optimistic, perhaps an even mix of optimism and pessimism is warranted and stock prices should drift up more slowly than they have been for the past few years.

Of course that was not the experience you had if you were awake for the last couple of months.
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Re: Stock scream room

Post by ochotona » Sun Feb 11, 2018 6:45 pm

Nikkei down more than 2% now. Space junk will be circulating around the globe. See you all tomorrow at 9:30 AM Eastern!

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Re: Stock scream room

Post by eufo » Sun Feb 11, 2018 6:56 pm

I gotta say, I'm actually embracing this correction. I was worried at the beginning, now I'm at acceptance.
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Re: Stock scream room

Post by Kriegsspiel » Sun Feb 11, 2018 7:47 pm

Nikkei down two plus?
To Aokigahara
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Re: Stock scream room

Post by Mr Vacuum » Sun Feb 11, 2018 7:52 pm

Kriegsspiel wrote:Nikkei down two plus?
To Aokigahara
those traders will trudge
Nice one. I’m still grinning about the It’s Happening! gif from last week.
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Re: Stock scream room

Post by dualstow » Sun Feb 11, 2018 11:18 pm

eufo wrote:I gotta say, I'm actually embracing this correction. I was worried at the beginning, now I'm at acceptance.
Same here. Well, I wasn't worried, but I wasn't thrilled.
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Re: Stock scream room

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Re: Stock scream room

Post by ochotona » Sat Feb 24, 2018 3:55 pm

Fun like the Norovirus. If we get a bear market with margin calls and forced redemptions, we get a negative feedback loop powering the market lower.
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Re: Stock scream room

Post by eufo » Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:10 pm

I love my cash, I love my cash, I love my cash...

Seriously, though... I do.
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Re: Stock scream room

Post by Kriegsspiel » Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:14 pm

ochotona wrote:Fun like the Norovirus. If we get a bear market with margin calls and forced redemptions, we get a negative feedback loop powering the market lower.
Ocho gets it.
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Re: Stock scream room

Post by Kriegsspiel » Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:16 pm

eufo wrote:I love my cash, I love my cash, I love my cash...

Seriously, though... I do.
I like cash too. I think if I wasn't down with the PP philosophy, I'd naturally drift towards something like the Larry Portfolio/Nassim Taleb Barbell philosophy.
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Re: Stock scream room

Post by boglerdude » Sun Feb 25, 2018 12:23 am

where do brokers get the $ used for margin loans?
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Re: Stock scream room

Post by eufo » Sun Feb 25, 2018 8:27 am

boglerdude wrote:where do brokers get the $ used for margin loans?
I'd imagine it's created and lent the same way a bank might do, but I really have no idea.
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Re: Stock scream room

Post by ochotona » Sun Feb 25, 2018 12:08 pm

eufo wrote:
boglerdude wrote:where do brokers get the $ used for margin loans?
I'd imagine it's created and lent the same way a bank might do, but I really have no idea.
I don't know either, but everyone has a little cash in their brokerage accounts, maybe they re-lend that out.
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Re: Stock scream room

Post by ochotona » Sat Mar 24, 2018 6:21 pm

Copper is below 200 day moving average first time since 2016 election. Suggests slowing world economy.
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Re: Stock scream room

Post by ochotona » Sat Mar 24, 2018 8:23 pm

Lance Roberts is trimming is equity allocation from 60% to 45%. He's a local Houston guy who is getting more widespread credibility.

http://realinvestmentadvice.com/the-mar ... d-03-23-18
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Re: Stock scream room

Post by barrett » Mon Apr 02, 2018 1:00 pm

Anyone putting in buy orders this afternoon?
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Re: Stock scream room

Post by bedraggled » Mon Apr 02, 2018 1:33 pm

Dow 30, Dow transports and the S & P 500 are each below Dow theory sell signal. Must wait for the close. This is for a VP, I guess.
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Re: Stock scream room

Post by dualstow » Mon Apr 02, 2018 2:23 pm

barrett wrote:Anyone putting in buy orders this afternoon?
Every week. (US$500 only)
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Re: Stock scream room

Post by ochotona » Mon Apr 02, 2018 2:29 pm

I don't know. I tried to catch the falling crude oil knife in late 2014. It ended badly.
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Re: Stock scream room

Post by buddtholomew » Mon Apr 02, 2018 4:29 pm

Bought IJS 10 min before close.
Stock portion of PP is now 55/45 S&P 500/iShares SCV.
I can only do this because other assets in the portfolio are mitigating the losses.

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Re: Stock scream room

Post by ochotona » Tue Apr 10, 2018 8:19 am

It's quiet here... Maybe TOO quiet...
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