The Left is Eating Itself Pt. II

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Post by Libertarian666 » Wed Jul 22, 2020 12:19 am

Maddy wrote:
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I'd rather have Biden who at least appears to try to unify people in most instances.
I don't at all see Biden as "unifying" people--if you're talking about unifying left with right. What you may be interpreting as "unification" is Biden's potential ability to calm down the radical left by giving them what they want. Things naturally tend to be perceived as more unified when cities aren't being torched.

Yes, but of course appeasement won’t work with terrorists. It just emboldens them to demand more.
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Post by jalanlong » Wed Jul 22, 2020 6:04 pm

Maddy wrote:
Tue Jul 21, 2020 8:36 pm
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Tue Jul 21, 2020 8:06 am
I'd rather have Biden who at least appears to try to unify people in most instances.
I don't at all see Biden as "unifying" people--if you're talking about unifying left with right. What you may be interpreting as "unification" is Biden's potential ability to calm down the radical left by giving them what they want. Things naturally tend to be perceived as more unified when cities aren't being torched.
Exactly. I am Libertarian so I was not a fan of Bush Jr or Obama. But I could clearly see that in the final months of the Bush administration the media portrayed the country as in complete shambles, led by nightly film of Cindy Sheehan Code Pink protests and a mortgage crisis blamed squarely on Bush policies. Then it seems the minute Obama took office, the clouds parted, the birds came out to sing and Cindy Sheehan disappeared from public view. So from that perspective, Obama was a unifier for sure. Now out in fly-over country, people were still divided. But it was not portrayed that way.
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Post by flyingpylon » Wed Jul 22, 2020 6:28 pm

jalanlong wrote:
Wed Jul 22, 2020 6:04 pm
Maddy wrote:
Tue Jul 21, 2020 8:36 pm
Cortopassi wrote:
Tue Jul 21, 2020 8:06 am
I'd rather have Biden who at least appears to try to unify people in most instances.
I don't at all see Biden as "unifying" people--if you're talking about unifying left with right. What you may be interpreting as "unification" is Biden's potential ability to calm down the radical left by giving them what they want. Things naturally tend to be perceived as more unified when cities aren't being torched.
Exactly. I am Libertarian so I was not a fan of Bush Jr or Obama. But I could clearly see that in the final months of the Bush administration the media portrayed the country as in complete shambles, led by nightly film of Cindy Sheehan Code Pink protests and a mortgage crisis blamed squarely on Bush policies. Then it seems the minute Obama took office, the clouds parted, the birds came out to sing and Cindy Sheehan disappeared from public view. So from that perspective, Obama was a unifier for sure. Now out in fly-over country, people were still divided. But it was not portrayed that way.
Obama was not a unifier, the narrative just changed.
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Post by Libertarian666 » Thu Jul 23, 2020 9:06 am

Simonjester wrote: Mayor Lori Lightfoot (Chicago) is against federal help quelling the riots and violence...
apparently she has it under control?? https://heyjackass.com/
Yes, she has it completely under control. Everything is proceeding exactly according to plan to usher in the New World Order heaven on earth!
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Post by dualstow » Thu Jul 23, 2020 10:50 am

I know Obama is incredibly unpopular here, and comparing himself to Trayvon was not unifiying*, but I just want to say even he was against cancel culture.

*good posts about Trayvon Martin by PointedStick back in the day.
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I know Obama is incredibly unpopular here, and comparing himself to Trayvon was not unifiying*, but I just want to say even he was against cancel culture.

*good posts about Trayvon Martin by PointedStick back in the day.
No one to the right of Stalin is in favor of cancel culture. That used to be basically the entire population, but now it's only 95%: another silent majority.
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Post by vnatale » Thu Jul 23, 2020 9:59 pm

Just to show that while I disagree with this topic I do have a (tiny) sense of humor...

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And, just sent him a Connect request on LinkedIn.

Here is his experience / education:
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Had never prior heard of his university. Seems better than average?
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Post by Kriegsspiel » Fri Jul 24, 2020 5:59 am

Thorough setup, Vinny, if a little drawn out. Now go for the punchline!
"You haven't, I suppose, ever mixed with politicians at close quarters. They're awful. I think some of these must have been the dregs anyhow, but I've discovered, what previously I didn't believe possible, that politicians behave in private life and say exactly the same things as they do in public. Their stupidity is inhuman.
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Post by dualstow » Fri Jul 24, 2020 6:12 am

I don’t get it, Vinny. Is this chartered accountant humor?
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Post by vnatale » Fri Jul 24, 2020 9:21 am

dualstow wrote:
Fri Jul 24, 2020 6:12 am
I don’t get it, Vinny. Is this chartered accountant humor?
That someone with such an education and present job could engage in such activities! Do you agree he'd NOT fit the stereotype of who you'd expect?

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Post by Libertarian666 » Fri Jul 24, 2020 9:32 am

vnatale wrote:
Fri Jul 24, 2020 9:21 am
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Fri Jul 24, 2020 6:12 am
I don’t get it, Vinny. Is this chartered accountant humor?
That someone with such an education and present job could engage in such activities! Do you agree he'd NOT fit the stereotype of who you'd expect?

Vinny
TDS knows no distinction of race or occupation.
Of course I'm not saying you would act violently, but you yourself are a perfect example of a TDS victim.
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Post by vnatale » Fri Jul 24, 2020 9:42 am

Libertarian666 wrote:
Fri Jul 24, 2020 9:32 am
vnatale wrote:
Fri Jul 24, 2020 9:21 am
dualstow wrote:
Fri Jul 24, 2020 6:12 am
I don’t get it, Vinny. Is this chartered accountant humor?
That someone with such an education and present job could engage in such activities! Do you agree he'd NOT fit the stereotype of who you'd expect?

Vinny
TDS knows no distinction of race or occupation.
Of course I'm not saying you would act violently, but you yourself are a perfect example of a TDS victim.
I can assure you that the majority of people with his education and type job tend to lean far more to the conservative side than the liberal side.

With C-Span being my primary source of information - a source which is BY FAR the most balanced of any source of information ANYWHERE - where did I catch the infection which led to me contracting this disease?

As I prior stated, on election night Trump's words after his victory did not disturb me. It was only afterwards when the evidence came in of how he was going to govern (between Election and Inauguration) and how he actually did govern.

Vinny
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Post by Mark Leavy » Fri Jul 24, 2020 10:34 am

vnatale wrote:
Fri Jul 24, 2020 9:21 am
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Fri Jul 24, 2020 6:12 am
I don’t get it, Vinny. Is this chartered accountant humor?
That someone with such an education and present job could engage in such activities! Do you agree he'd NOT fit the stereotype of who you'd expect?

Vinny
Having lived in Portland for twenty years, I can tell you that that pedigree produced EXACTLY the stereotype I would have expected. Those Universities churn out nothing but.
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Post by Mountaineer » Fri Jul 24, 2020 10:38 am

Mark Leavy wrote:
Fri Jul 24, 2020 10:34 am
vnatale wrote:
Fri Jul 24, 2020 9:21 am
dualstow wrote:
Fri Jul 24, 2020 6:12 am
I don’t get it, Vinny. Is this chartered accountant humor?
That someone with such an education and present job could engage in such activities! Do you agree he'd NOT fit the stereotype of who you'd expect?

Vinny
Having lived in Portland for twenty years, I can tell you that that pedigree produced EXACTLY the stereotype I would have expected. Those Universities churn out nothing but.
Mark,
Is your avatar a tomahawk steak? Looks delicious. However, if that is the cut, it will soon be renamed as soon as the self-righteous thugs see it. ;)
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Post by vnatale » Fri Jul 24, 2020 10:38 am

Libertarian666 wrote:
Fri Jul 24, 2020 9:57 am
vnatale wrote:
Fri Jul 24, 2020 9:42 am
Libertarian666 wrote:
Fri Jul 24, 2020 9:32 am
vnatale wrote:
Fri Jul 24, 2020 9:21 am
dualstow wrote:
Fri Jul 24, 2020 6:12 am
I don’t get it, Vinny. Is this chartered accountant humor?
That someone with such an education and present job could engage in such activities! Do you agree he'd NOT fit the stereotype of who you'd expect?

Vinny
TDS knows no distinction of race or occupation.
Of course I'm not saying you would act violently, but you yourself are a perfect example of a TDS victim.
I can assure you that the majority of people with his education and type job tend to lean far more to the conservative side than the liberal side.

With C-Span being my primary source of information - a source which is BY FAR the most balanced of any source of information ANYWHERE - where did I catch the infection which led to me contracting this disease?

As I prior stated, on election night Trump's words after his victory did not disturb me. It was only afterwards when the evidence came in of how he was going to govern (between Election and Inauguration) and how he actually did govern.

Vinny
What exactly has Trump done as President that makes you oppose him?

I mean actual governmental acts only. Not tweets, speeches, or any other commentary. Just things like signing legislation, executive orders, or the like.
Before answering that directly I don't want to put my trust in someone who has revealed himself to be:

of low integrity

not an information consumer

not a reader

not analytical

always puts his interests ahead of the country's

poor judge of character (all the turnover in his administration plus all the indictments and convictions of those he hired)

poor impulse control

questionable intelligence (albeit high intelligence in certain dimensions of intelligence but not the dimensions of intelligence which most matter in his present job)

It adds up to about the opposite of the ideal person you'd want in his position.

I'll first do my research and get back to you to directly answering your question. I don't want to give a top of the head answer to that.

But I know you are a formidable intellectual opponent. Anything I bring up that I oppose you will find something to show that somehow I'm mis-interpreting or that is not what he meant or he was mis-quoted or taken out of context. But as I wrote that those all seem to fit in with what you described above as "Not".

I will give you a direct answer. Just not right now. In the middle of other things.

Vinny
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Re: The Left is Eating Itself Pt. II

Post by Mark Leavy » Fri Jul 24, 2020 10:44 am

Mountaineer wrote:
Fri Jul 24, 2020 10:38 am
Mark,
Is your avatar a tomahawk steak? Looks delicious. However, if that is the cut, it will soon be renamed as soon as the self-righteous thugs see it. ;)
It is. I only order them when I am eating one meal every other day. That one was in Catania, Sicily.
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Post by vnatale » Fri Jul 24, 2020 2:04 pm

Libertarian666 wrote:
Fri Jul 24, 2020 11:59 am
vnatale wrote:
Fri Jul 24, 2020 10:38 am
Libertarian666 wrote:
Fri Jul 24, 2020 9:57 am
vnatale wrote:
Fri Jul 24, 2020 9:42 am
Libertarian666 wrote:
Fri Jul 24, 2020 9:32 am
vnatale wrote:
Fri Jul 24, 2020 9:21 am
dualstow wrote:
Fri Jul 24, 2020 6:12 am
I don’t get it, Vinny. Is this chartered accountant humor?
That someone with such an education and present job could engage in such activities! Do you agree he'd NOT fit the stereotype of who you'd expect?

Vinny
TDS knows no distinction of race or occupation.
Of course I'm not saying you would act violently, but you yourself are a perfect example of a TDS victim.
I can assure you that the majority of people with his education and type job tend to lean far more to the conservative side than the liberal side.

With C-Span being my primary source of information - a source which is BY FAR the most balanced of any source of information ANYWHERE - where did I catch the infection which led to me contracting this disease?

As I prior stated, on election night Trump's words after his victory did not disturb me. It was only afterwards when the evidence came in of how he was going to govern (between Election and Inauguration) and how he actually did govern.

Vinny
What exactly has Trump done as President that makes you oppose him?

I mean actual governmental acts only. Not tweets, speeches, or any other commentary. Just things like signing legislation, executive orders, or the like.
Before answering that directly I don't want to put my trust in someone who has revealed himself to be:

of low integrity

not an information consumer

not a reader

not analytical

always puts his interests ahead of the country's

poor judge of character (all the turnover in his administration plus all the indictments and convictions of those he hired)

poor impulse control

questionable intelligence (albeit high intelligence in certain dimensions of intelligence but not the dimensions of intelligence which most matter in his present job)

It adds up to about the opposite of the ideal person you'd want in his position.

I'll first do my research and get back to you to directly answering your question. I don't want to give a top of the head answer to that.

But I know you are a formidable intellectual opponent. Anything I bring up that I oppose you will find something to show that somehow I'm mis-interpreting or that is not what he meant or he was mis-quoted or taken out of context. But as I wrote that those all seem to fit in with what you described above as "Not".

I will give you a direct answer. Just not right now. In the middle of other things.

Vinny
Sure, take your time; I realize that you have other things to do too.
I'll wait to see what you come up with on governmental acts he has committed as President.
Thank you for consideration.

However, is it fair of me to ask the counter question of which of what he has done that you agree with him doing?

Vinny
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Post by dualstow » Fri Jul 24, 2020 2:28 pm

vnatale wrote:
Fri Jul 24, 2020 9:21 am
dualstow wrote:
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I don’t get it, Vinny. Is this chartered accountant humor?
That someone with such an education and present job could engage in such activities! Do you agree he'd NOT fit the stereotype of who you'd expect?
Mania comes in all flavors.
There are lawyers trying to murder cops with Molotov cocktails.

Plus, what Mark said about Portland.
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Post by dualstow » Sun Aug 02, 2020 2:31 pm

The indignant woke, who imagine themselves to be righteously awake and laying the foundations for a more just and humane world, ought to pause—to draw back for a moment, and consider the possibility that they are, as it were, fast asleep, caught up in strange, agitated dreams: that they have become a mass joined in a cult of self-righteousness, moral vanity and privilege. One of these days, they will have to be deprogrammed and led back to the real world. Woke institutions will need to be fumigated.
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Post by dualstow » Wed Sep 02, 2020 7:31 pm

California’s Radical Indoctrination
A bill would establish a K-12 curriculum in the ‘four I’s of oppression.’
Conservatives and fair-minded liberals are alarmed that high schools are drawing up plans to teach the “1619 project,” the New York Times ’ revisionist account of race and the American founding, in history classes. The reality is turning out to be worse. The largest state in the union is poised to become one of the first to mandate ethnic studies for all high-school students, and the model curriculum makes the radical “1619 project” look moderate and balanced.

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It’s not a coincidence that many radical left movements are infused with anti-Semitism. They posit theories of control by shadowy capitalist groups that often echo anti-Semitic conspiracy theories. One course outline tips its hat at this. “Students will write a paper detailing certain events in American history,” it says, “that have led to Jewish and Irish Americans gaining racial privilege.”
Those damn Jewish and Irish, eh?
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Post by dualstow » Fri Sep 04, 2020 1:29 pm

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Petition asks Trader Joe's to change its 'racist' food packaging

@Cortopassi: You are Italian, your wife is Chinese. Were you guys ever offended by the logo Trader Giotto or Trader Ming? I know that my Chinese daughter in law is not.
Reversed! I didn't notice until John McWhorter pointed it out.
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Post by vnatale » Sat Sep 05, 2020 8:44 pm

From 1996 -- looks like this criticism of the left has been going on for a while! (And, for you fellow baseball fans, make sure you also read the second item (if you go to the URL).

Vinny

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THE UNABOMBER'S INSIGHT, THE ODDS AGAINST ALBERT BELLE, RENEGADE ECONOMISTS, AND OTHER MATTERS.
(FORTUNE Magazine)
By DANIEL SELIGMAN REPORTER ASSOCIATE AMY R. KOVER
May 13, 1996
(FORTUNE Magazine) – CREEPSPEAK REVISITED

As evidenced in this space last fall (October 30), your servant has spent a lot of time brooding over the Unabomber's manifesto and now feels a need to return to this amazing document. Also to say something mildly favorable about its even more amazing author.

It is true that alleged author Ted Kaczynski Jr. is in many ways even creepier than the character one imagined while hovering over the manifesto. He turns out to be not only a loner and serial killer with serious personal-hygiene problems but also an utter hypocrite about money. To appreciate the hypocrisy, you need to return to the manifesto's long, involved indictment of a technological society in which nobody feels fulfilled because life is too easy and the physical necessities--food, water, clothing, shelter--have been taken care of. The argument is that even today people need the survival challenges once faced by families on the frontier.

And so, pursuant to this elaborate schema, Ted went off to live in the mountains in his own personally built cabin and eat the vegetables he'd grown and the rabbits he'd shot. But we also see that he kept running out of money and regularly received gifts or loans from his not terribly well-off brother, back home in technological Schenectady, New York, to get him through the year. The Unabomber as a remittance man does come as a surprise.

And yet there is one line of argument in the manifesto that holds up quite well on a second reading. One cherishes the Unabomber's passages on the psychology of modern leftism.

Mentioned briefly in our account last fall but not well reported in the media generally--possibly because it seems so anomalous in an enemy of the establishment--is the Unabomber's detestation of leftists. Presumably he came to this position via various unpleasant encounters on the campuses he had frequented. Whatever its genesis, his rage against left-liberal characters has led him to think a lot about their psychology and "totalitarian" (his word) impulses.

The question he zeroes in on is, What's really happening in the heads of all the politically correct fanatics who endlessly find new things to be outraged over? Why are they forever changing the rules about behavior that should be banned and terms that are unacceptable in talking about women, minorities, old folks, even pets? (He mentions the animal-rights activists who wish to replace that term with "animal companion.") His utterly persuasive (around our house) answer is that leftists have learned that these rules enable one to intimidate and control others. They are power plays. "Suppose," he asks near the end of the manifesto, "you asked leftists to make a list of all the things that were wrong with society, and then suppose you instituted every social change that they demanded. It is safe to say that within a couple of years, the majority of leftists would find something new to complain about...The leftist is motivated less by distress at society's ills than by the need to satisfy his drive for power."

Hey, just because you are depraved, creepy, and unwashed doesn't mean you can't come up with an insight now and then.
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