Xan wrote: ↑Thu Jun 09, 2022 10:57 am
vnatale wrote: ↑Thu Jun 09, 2022 10:45 am
Xan wrote: ↑Thu Jun 09, 2022 10:37 am
vnatale wrote: ↑Thu Jun 09, 2022 10:14 amNo child can survive without its mother. Every single born child would die absent ongoing care from its mother or any other mother surrogate.
Right, so why is it illegal for the mother to withhold that care?
Because almost no one disagrees that once a child is born that that is a viable life. But obviously intense disagreement as to whether or not there is life prior to the child being born.
vnatale wrote: ↑Wed Jun 08, 2022 10:30 amI fully believe that there is a life within a pregnant woman.
I think you may be trying to assert that I'm either being inconsistent or contradictory in my two statements?
I fully believe that there is life in a pregnant women. Obviously not all agree with me. We live in a pluralistic society. What I or you believe does not automatically become law. But I have softened on my position of being against abortions 100% of the time (except if either only the child or the mother is going to survive the birth) to recognizing that I as a male do not have the right to impose upon the female such a severe cost for something they do not want to do.
I think that males would have a much different position on this if, instead, they had to pay all the costs as the females do and had to watch the females completely walk away from taking any responsibilities regarding the child who had been born.
I go back to all those anti-gay Republicans who once they end up learning that they have a gay child now tell us that their "position has evolved".
Tons of males all over the world would 100% reverse their position on abortion if the male / female roles in pregnancy and child birth and subsequent child responsibilities were completely reversed.
It's easy to take positions which will almost never affect you personally in any way.