Lawyers for pro-Trump attorney Sidney Powell said that “no reasonable person” would believe that her false conspiracies about the 2020 election were “truly statements of fact.”
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/23/pro-tr ... act.html
Lawyers for pro-Trump attorney Sidney Powell said that “no reasonable person” would believe that her false conspiracies about the 2020 election were “truly statements of fact.”
Trumpism is a cultish-religion that lies within the already cultish-religion of statism.doodle wrote: ↑Tue Mar 23, 2021 10:03 am
Lawyers for pro-Trump attorney Sidney Powell said that “no reasonable person” would believe that her false conspiracies about the 2020 election were “truly statements of fact.”
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/23/pro-tr ... act.html
At least none that have claimed they were about to expose the greatest conspiracy in the history of mankind. And then when held accountable, took as a defense the position that their claims were so outlandish that no reasonable person could believe them.
Sure there are. Like I said, statism itself is a cultish religion. I what makes you think that wouldn’t include your definition of “the left?”
Nah "lefitsim" as you probably would define it (Anything left of centrism) has plenty of cultish/religious dogma peddlers and followers. Funnily enough, I find people modestly left of center but who are politically active to be far more cultish than the "hard-left." But I'm defining hard-left as people I follow who are self-described socialists, social democrats, etc who are far more interested in producing actual policy changes (many I disagree with) than constantly engaging in the partisan scramble to blindly defend whatever senile or corporate hack the D's have decided to put in front of us. The latter is the religious aspect. Simply deeply believing in $15 minimum wage or public housing is just a policy preference difference.
Brilliant! If I am ever charged with anything, I am totally going with the Chewbacca Defense. That's why Sydney makes the big bucks. I expect her to prevail.doodle wrote: ↑Tue Mar 23, 2021 10:03 am
Lawyers for pro-Trump attorney Sidney Powell said that “no reasonable person” would believe that her false conspiracies about the 2020 election were “truly statements of fact.”
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/23/pro-tr ... act.html
They were clowns well-before the election stuff. This was just the obvious place the whole roof was going to blow off his act. If Barack Hussein Obama had done but a fraction of what Trump did, we'd have had red states seceding left and right.glennds wrote: ↑Wed Mar 24, 2021 8:33 amAt least none that have claimed they were about to expose the greatest conspiracy in the history of mankind. And then when held accountable, took as a defense the position that their claims were so outlandish that no reasonable person could believe them.
Yes, plenty of clowns on the left, but Sidney Powell is in her own category.
Prevail? lol...Mark Leavy wrote: ↑Wed Mar 24, 2021 9:53 amBrilliant! If I am ever charged with anything, I am totally going with the Chewbacca Defense. That's why Sydney makes the big bucks. I expect her to prevail.doodle wrote: ↑Tue Mar 23, 2021 10:03 am
Lawyers for pro-Trump attorney Sidney Powell said that “no reasonable person” would believe that her false conspiracies about the 2020 election were “truly statements of fact.”
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/23/pro-tr ... act.html
I think she could have done better after getting caught....doodle wrote: ↑Tue Mar 23, 2021 10:03 am
Lawyers for pro-Trump attorney Sidney Powell said that “no reasonable person” would believe that her false conspiracies about the 2020 election were “truly statements of fact.”
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/23/pro-tr ... act.html
moda0306 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 24, 2021 11:11 amPrevail? lol...Mark Leavy wrote: ↑Wed Mar 24, 2021 9:53 amBrilliant! If I am ever charged with anything, I am totally going with the Chewbacca Defense. That's why Sydney makes the big bucks. I expect her to prevail.doodle wrote: ↑Tue Mar 23, 2021 10:03 am
Lawyers for pro-Trump attorney Sidney Powell said that “no reasonable person” would believe that her false conspiracies about the 2020 election were “truly statements of fact.”
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/23/pro-tr ... act.html
I don't think merely not losing a $1.3 Billion defamation suit against her was the kind of legal victory Sydney had in mind back in November.
I'm not sure what legal angle she's after here...seems like her defense shoehorns her even further into guilt.
To prove prima facie defamation, a plaintiff must show four things: 1) a false statement purporting to be fact; 2) publication or communication of that statement to a third person; 3) fault amounting to at least negligence; and 4) damages, or some harm caused to the person or entity who is the subject of the statement.
Voting for an old senile centrist democrat as a punt to avoid another 4 years of Trump isn't crazy cultism. it's pretty typical electoral pragmatism. If anything, I think most of the people who voted for him simply saw him as about as status quo as a president could be. They made the same pragmatic decision as some of the unenthusiastic Trump voters did in 2016 when they hated Hillary and wanted tax cuts so they figured they'd put up with the derp for 4 years, but just with different priorities.MangoMan wrote: ↑Wed Mar 24, 2021 12:21 pmGee, just like the idiots that voted for a senile octogenarian who can barely walk, just bc he wasn't Trump, but knowing that the policies that would come from behind the Curtain of Oz running him would be ruinous to the country.moda0306 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 24, 2021 10:29 am "Trump is a POS but he's gonna lower my taxes and give me a conservative court." That's not cultish. That's an accurate assessment of reality, even if I disagree with the implicit value-set implied by that attitude. It's the blind defense of the figure-head of some perceived "movement" while he proceeds to lead them down the path of ridiculousness that makes them fucking crazy.
Cultish nature of Trump's supportmoda0306 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 24, 2021 1:12 pmVoting for an old senile centrist democrat as a punt to avoid another 4 years of Trump isn't crazy cultism. it's pretty typical electoral pragmatism. If anything, I think most of the people who voted for him simply saw him as about as status quo as a president could be. They made the same pragmatic decision as some of the unenthusiastic Trump voters did in 2016 when they hated Hillary and wanted tax cuts so they figured they'd put up with the derp for 4 years, but just with different priorities.MangoMan wrote: ↑Wed Mar 24, 2021 12:21 pmGee, just like the idiots that voted for a senile octogenarian who can barely walk, just bc he wasn't Trump, but knowing that the policies that would come from behind the Curtain of Oz running him would be ruinous to the country.moda0306 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 24, 2021 10:29 am "Trump is a POS but he's gonna lower my taxes and give me a conservative court." That's not cultish. That's an accurate assessment of reality, even if I disagree with the implicit value-set implied by that attitude. It's the blind defense of the figure-head of some perceived "movement" while he proceeds to lead them down the path of ridiculousness that makes them fucking crazy.
And I don't think the vast majority of Biden voters think that his policies would be "ruinous to the country." Now maybe Biden voters are crazy to think that his policies won't be disastrous. You're free to defend that point with evidence. But that's very different from dems intentionally voting for disastrous policies just because they don't like the guy he'd replace.
Lastly, there may be crazy Biden sycophants. The closest to these I've seen are democrat boomers who have an affinity for Biden, but even then it's nowhere near the level of the cultish nature of Trump's support. They're actually quite centrist in nature, compared to their Gen Y/Z counterparts, who are mostly willing to admit Biden is a creepy, senile war-monger. It's pretty typical partisan loyalty bullshit that we saw with Bush v Gore, Obama v McCain, etc. Is it pathetic? Yes. But it's the same shit we saw on "the right" before Trump or see from them now with non-Trump politicians... boring, pathetic, run of the mill, "defend your team" bullshit. The Trump Cult is/was something much more stark.
I believe I probably contradicted myself a bit. I probably shouldn’t have said that a pragmatic vote for Biden doesn’t represent cultism. I believe it many who voted for Biden to not only belong to the cult of statism but also one of its sub-cults, which is the partisan team cult of Democrats.GT wrote: ↑Wed Mar 24, 2021 2:17 pmCultish nature of Trump's supportmoda0306 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 24, 2021 1:12 pmVoting for an old senile centrist democrat as a punt to avoid another 4 years of Trump isn't crazy cultism. it's pretty typical electoral pragmatism. If anything, I think most of the people who voted for him simply saw him as about as status quo as a president could be. They made the same pragmatic decision as some of the unenthusiastic Trump voters did in 2016 when they hated Hillary and wanted tax cuts so they figured they'd put up with the derp for 4 years, but just with different priorities.MangoMan wrote: ↑Wed Mar 24, 2021 12:21 pmGee, just like the idiots that voted for a senile octogenarian who can barely walk, just bc he wasn't Trump, but knowing that the policies that would come from behind the Curtain of Oz running him would be ruinous to the country.moda0306 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 24, 2021 10:29 am "Trump is a POS but he's gonna lower my taxes and give me a conservative court." That's not cultish. That's an accurate assessment of reality, even if I disagree with the implicit value-set implied by that attitude. It's the blind defense of the figure-head of some perceived "movement" while he proceeds to lead them down the path of ridiculousness that makes them fucking crazy.
And I don't think the vast majority of Biden voters think that his policies would be "ruinous to the country." Now maybe Biden voters are crazy to think that his policies won't be disastrous. You're free to defend that point with evidence. But that's very different from dems intentionally voting for disastrous policies just because they don't like the guy he'd replace.
Lastly, there may be crazy Biden sycophants. The closest to these I've seen are democrat boomers who have an affinity for Biden, but even then it's nowhere near the level of the cultish nature of Trump's support. They're actually quite centrist in nature, compared to their Gen Y/Z counterparts, who are mostly willing to admit Biden is a creepy, senile war-monger. It's pretty typical partisan loyalty bullshit that we saw with Bush v Gore, Obama v McCain, etc. Is it pathetic? Yes. But it's the same shit we saw on "the right" before Trump or see from them now with non-Trump politicians... boring, pathetic, run of the mill, "defend your team" bullshit. The Trump Cult is/was something much more stark.
Do you think Obama developed a cultish following? real question - I think so...
And I don't think the vast majority of Biden voters think that his policies would be "ruinous to the country."
What metrics would Biden votes us to determine this... jobs report - stock market - number of riots - world trade - real question
Moda, am I remembering incorrectly, or have you in the past argued that we need to stop being focused on growth, and work more towards sustainability? Why would you expect/want real wages to be growing? (Apologies if I'm wrong.)
I don’t consider anything that Biden (or Kamala) has done to be in the real of “disastrous” yet, but on a more general basis I’d probably disagree with almost everything in your loaded assertions.
Xan,
No, in fact it was more vague than that: “unity and healing”.sophie wrote: ↑Wed Mar 24, 2021 5:58 pm Actually I think most people who voted for Biden could not tell you what his policies are if you asked them.
They voted for him because they were told so by numerous mainstream media outlets.
If you ask these people for reasons, you would hear the following: 1) they hated trump. 2) sunshine and ponies would fill the skies if Biden got elected. 3) Racial disparities would disappear to the benefit of all. 4) we would welcome "new immigrants" with open arms and to wonderful effect. 5) COVID would disappear because Biden would handle it better than Trump.
I don't think it ever got any more detailed than that.
Let's be honest here.....a lot of the Biden votes were fake and sitting in suitcases under the tables. That's why they had to kick out the poll watchers for days while they counted them and board up the windows. Its also why YouTube and twitter/fb kicked off anyone disputing the fraud.flyingpylon wrote: ↑Wed Mar 24, 2021 6:11 pmNo, in fact it was more vague than that: “unity and healing”.sophie wrote: ↑Wed Mar 24, 2021 5:58 pm Actually I think most people who voted for Biden could not tell you what his policies are if you asked them.
They voted for him because they were told so by numerous mainstream media outlets.
If you ask these people for reasons, you would hear the following: 1) they hated trump. 2) sunshine and ponies would fill the skies if Biden got elected. 3) Racial disparities would disappear to the benefit of all. 4) we would welcome "new immigrants" with open arms and to wonderful effect. 5) COVID would disappear because Biden would handle it better than Trump.
I don't think it ever got any more detailed than that.
After 8 years of Obama, who was a young and charismatic guy compared to Biden and the First Black President, and the nativist train-wreck that was Trump and his sycophants coming on the heels of that, why would anyone assume that a senile old gaff-prone white dude would unite anyone to the ridiculous degree your posing. I know nobody that is an enthusiastic Biden supporter. If I had to judge by the attitude of most liberals I know, it was that Biden was an effort to "stop the bleeding" of Trump. And by that I don't mean unity, harmony, open immigration, etc. Just like "getting rid of the toxic dude." So perhaps your first point is correct, but the rest, save maybe improved perceived COVID response are just hyperbole that I don't think apply.sophie wrote: ↑Wed Mar 24, 2021 5:58 pm Actually I think most people who voted for Biden could not tell you what his policies are if you asked them.
They voted for him because they were told so by numerous mainstream media outlets.
If you ask these people for reasons, you would hear the following: 1) they hated trump. 2) sunshine and ponies would fill the skies if Biden got elected. 3) Racial disparities would disappear to the benefit of all. 4) we would welcome "new immigrants" with open arms and to wonderful effect. 5) COVID would disappear because Biden would handle it better than Trump.
I don't think it ever got any more detailed than that.
I've never really had a deep trust of elections... or courts... but I'm somewhat surprised the latter wouldn't have found something wrong with the former if lawsuits are actually filed. Especially considering many of the judges were Trump appointees.SomeDude wrote: ↑Wed Mar 24, 2021 6:17 pmLet's be honest here.....a lot of the Biden votes were fake and sitting in suitcases under the tables. That's why they had to kick out the poll watchers for days while they counted them and board up the windows. Its also why YouTube and twitter/fb kicked off anyone disputing the fraud.flyingpylon wrote: ↑Wed Mar 24, 2021 6:11 pmNo, in fact it was more vague than that: “unity and healing”.sophie wrote: ↑Wed Mar 24, 2021 5:58 pm Actually I think most people who voted for Biden could not tell you what his policies are if you asked them.
They voted for him because they were told so by numerous mainstream media outlets.
If you ask these people for reasons, you would hear the following: 1) they hated trump. 2) sunshine and ponies would fill the skies if Biden got elected. 3) Racial disparities would disappear to the benefit of all. 4) we would welcome "new immigrants" with open arms and to wonderful effect. 5) COVID would disappear because Biden would handle it better than Trump.
I don't think it ever got any more detailed than that.
The truth doesn't require protection, lies do.
Obviously the reality that a criminal gang has complete control of the government is too much for some otherwise smart people to handle so they tell themselves and each other that up is down and black is white.
That's how tribalism works. My team good, your team bad. No one seems to want to itemize each party's positions...unfortunately one of the many weaknesses of a two party winner take all system