Censorship continued: first the Parler app then @realDonaldTrump

[InsuranceGuy]

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[flyingpylon]

I’m sure the 12 year head start for Twitter has nothing to do with the difference in refinement between it and Parler.

But the Parler folks don’t seem terribly bright. Their platform relies on Amazon Web Services and their apps rely on Apple and Google for distribution. I’m not sure what their plans are for monetization but they probably rely on mainstream financial services that will surely shut them down. How long did they really expect to be able to operate as a platform for free speech?

Gab.com has been through all of this already and seems better positioned to survive. But I guess we’ll see.

The most absurd virtue signal of The Purge (so far) is that Olive Garden issued a statement revoking Sean Hannity’s “Lifetime Pasta Pass”... man, that’s gotta hurt. Of course his health will be better for it in the end.

[pp4me]

When the most powerful tech companies along with the MSM operate in cahoots with one political party, especially the one in power, I think the distinction between public and private entities is entering into a gray area never envisioned by those who wrote the first amendment.

Orwell did imagine it though.

[vnatale]

The fact remains that social media compaines advertise themselves as a space to share content. Conversations that would have previously taken place in public spaces are now happening online. While I understand that these online conversations are hosted by private companies I feel that there should be more tolerance and less aggressive policing of content to reflect that these same conversations would have more latitude to be expressed in a more public forum.

I have oftentimes used Facebook a lot. For several different reasons.

One of them is to distribute pictures I take.

When I'm at an all-day music event, I can easily take 1,000 to 1,500 pictures.

I am quite adept at these keyboards and I can get them up to Facebook in record time.

Until they give me a warning to "slow down". Or, in some cases where they ban me for a day for having uploaded too many in too short a time period.

Another thing I do is contact the musicians in the pictures to tell them where they can see their pictures. Again, Facebook will shut me down due to having sent messages to too many people in a short period of time. I am then not allowed to message anyone until 24 hours passes.

Am I happy with any of that? Of course not. Am I doing anything nefarious? Definitely not.

All these things are happening to me because there is no human intervention, no one actually looking at what I'm doing. Just some algorithm that says when behavior like mine is detected its generally someone up to no good.

I've learned to get around getting banned for posting too many pictures too quickly by timing when I post a batch and waiting sufficient time to send the next ones. Same with our 1/2 hour time limit here for political posts.


All the above is an annoyance for me. But, in the big picture, I recognize that Facebook is a private company. I get a lot of benefit out of what I do with it. They have never charged me a cent for all I get out of it. It is THEIR house I am doing all these things in. I have no say in the rules that they determine for THEIR house. I have to live under the terms that set for being in THEIR house. Because I want to continue to do things in THEIR house, I behave accordingly so that they do not kick me out or permanently ban me from THEIR house.

I have no beliefs of entitlement that I can behave however I want to in THEIR house!

I do not engage in crybabyism when they do the above annoying things to me because from their point of view I am breaking the rules of THEIR house.

It is all as simple as that.

I will close with this....I always find it amusing that the Republicans are always telling us that they are the party of "responsibility" yet I find that many conservatives / Republicans will always be the last ones to accept any responsibility with a default mode of crybabyism. Our current president epitomizes all of this!

https://flagandcross.com/twitter-thread ... alization/

[InsuranceGuy]

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[vnatale]

The fact remains that social media compaines advertise themselves as a space to share content. Conversations that would have previously taken place in public spaces are now happening online. While I understand that these online conversations are hosted by private companies I feel that there should be more tolerance and less aggressive policing of content to reflect that these same conversations would have more latitude to be expressed in a more public forum.

Another thing I do is contact the musicians in the pictures to tell them where they can see their pictures. Again, Facebook will shut me down due to having sent messages to too many people in a short period of time. I am then not allowed to message anyone until 24 hours passes.

Am I happy with any of that? Of course not. Am I doing anything nefarious? Definitely not.

All these things are happening to me because there is no human intervention, no one actually looking at what I'm doing. Just some algorithm that says when behavior like mine is detected its generally someone up to no good.

I've learned to get around getting banned for posting too many pictures too quickly by timing when I post a batch and waiting sufficient time to send the next ones. Same with our 1/2 hour time limit here for political posts.

Having limitations on the volume of facebook uploads or forum posts via an algorithm is simply not the same as banning people or opinions by operators of a platform that have a differening views, especially monopolistic platforms.

Yes, definitely not the same.

But the principle is the same.

It is their house. They make the rules. You are a guest in their house. You abide by their rules or they can decide they no longer want to have you as a guest in their house.

Same as if you were to come in my house or me in yours.

I also don't agree that they are monopolistic platforms. Was not MySpace considered THE thing? If the market exists, alternatives can be created to Facebook or Twitter.

How many even use either one of them? What percentage of the population use either one of them?

What percentage of the population listens to conservative talk radio? Quickly name me all the non-conservative talk radio shows.

[InsuranceGuy]

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[ahhrunforthehills]

The fact remains that social media compaines advertise themselves as a space to share content. Conversations that would have previously taken place in public spaces are now happening online. While I understand that these online conversations are hosted by private companies I feel that there should be more tolerance and less aggressive policing of content to reflect that these same conversations would have more latitude to be expressed in a more public forum.

Another thing I do is contact the musicians in the pictures to tell them where they can see their pictures. Again, Facebook will shut me down due to having sent messages to too many people in a short period of time. I am then not allowed to message anyone until 24 hours passes.

Am I happy with any of that? Of course not. Am I doing anything nefarious? Definitely not.

All these things are happening to me because there is no human intervention, no one actually looking at what I'm doing. Just some algorithm that says when behavior like mine is detected its generally someone up to no good.

I've learned to get around getting banned for posting too many pictures too quickly by timing when I post a batch and waiting sufficient time to send the next ones. Same with our 1/2 hour time limit here for political posts.

Having limitations on the volume of facebook uploads or forum posts via an algorithm is simply not the same as banning people or opinions by operators of a platform that have a differening views, especially monopolistic platforms.

Yes, definitely not the same.

But the principle is the same.

It is their house. They make the rules. You are a guest in their house. You abide by their rules or they can decide they no longer want to have you as a guest in their house.

Same as if you were to come in my house or me in yours.

I also don't agree that they are monopolistic platforms. Was not MySpace considered THE thing? If the market exists, alternatives can be created to Facebook or Twitter.

How many even use either one of them? What percentage of the population use either one of them?

What percentage of the population listens to conservative talk radio? Quickly name me all the non-conservative talk radio shows.

Their terms may exempt them commercially, however not criminally going forward. The democrats want to repeal Section 230. When you allow speech from all parties you are a neutral platform. When you restrict speech from all sides that could lead to organized violence you are a neurtral platform. When it is obvious (FYI, I am moderate... neither conservative or liberal) and I mean OBVIOUS that you are more heavy handed with one side than the other, you are an accessory to that organized violence. Just because you drove the get-a-way car doesn't mean you weren't involved in robbing the bank.

Furthermore, I feel that this could very well be a massive turning point in this country. Social media has made their platforms increasingly addictive over the past decade. Obviously, Youtube is showing Doodle different "recommended" videos than Libertarian666. Facebooks is showing them both extremely different feeds/posts. Doodle and Tech each get their dopamine drop because they get to feel validated by the content that they view (which reinforce their beliefs), the acceptance of the views they share in their comments, etc. They get a dopamine drop, spend more time, and get to be exposed to additional advertising. Now, even without these huge social media outlets, many people in this country (hell, many people in this forum) are addicted to documenting their thoughts to a bunch of strangers on the internet. It is literally an addiction. What happens when you take the bottle away from a drunk who likes being a drunk?

I think there is also another issue...

When you suppress any behavior (like chewing your fingernails) the behavior doesn't just disappear. Behaviors almost always have underlying reasons. When you attempt to remove the behavior it either manifests into another behavior (which is difficult because their are no large-scale conservative social media platforms) or it builds until you have a behavior that is REALLY destructive.

When you scold a child and they go to give you an excuse and you say "I don't want to hear it... go to your room", why do they slam the door? I wonder how many people got punched after saying "talk to the hand"? If you refuse to hear someone, it tends to trigger a response where they feel like they will MAKE YOU hear them.

If I had family that worked for social media companies... I would be a little scared for them going into the office. Crazy liberals burn and loot, crazy conservatives drop buildings and go on rampages. I can see this leading to the Dems going after the guns... which will get even more conservative stirred up.

I read that about half of republicans supported what happened at the Capitol. From people I have talked to, that sounds about right. That is a MASSIVE amount of people. Going after guns would force the other half of republicans to pick a side. This is serious stuff.

[ochotona]

People can't have it both ways...

If you think that censorship by a private company of content on their platform is wrong, and their ability to censor should be limited in some way to honor "truth and beauty of individual expression (or whatever)", then you're essentially talking about a curtailment of private property rights, and the right to control activities which are controllable by them and which they wish to control.

Then you believe the Fundy Christian baker must be compelled to bake the wedding cake for the poly / inter-species pod (three adult humans and an animal getting hitched).

Or, the RCC must have female clergy, or better yet, they need to allow a Catholic Church Satanists division.

Because why? Because MUH FREEDUMS? Wait... doesn't the hosting organizations in all of these (absurd) examples have MUH FREEDUMS too?

Complain about it, fine, but that's all you can do. Otherwise, you're put private assets under State control, probably under Court control. {shudder}

Go lease your own servers, Donald! Hire your own IT staff! (Betcha Dell will repo them or brick them anyway after he doesn't pay his invoices).

[vnatale]

I will say it again loudly.

Conservatives / Republicans preach and criticize the other side for many failings. Yet when it comes down to it too many times they are guilty of the same failings!

1) Accept no responsibility
2) Cry Baby from the roof tops
3) Play victim
4) Believe the government need to step in to regulate private business behaviors

Finally... about the Right being "censored" and, thus, having no voice...plus the BIG BAD Main Stream Media brainwashing the populace...

Take a look at these radio ratings:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_m ... o_programs

I count 90 million weekly listeners to conservative radio to only 7 million to progressive talk radio.

Yet it is the BIG BAD Main Stream Media that rules the day and condemns that paragon of virtue, Donald Trump?

Take a look at these TV ratings, which are led by Fox News...

https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-a ... -week-2020

They pale in comparison to the radio ratings.

Conservatives / Republicans need to own up to the fact that Donald Trump got his unrelenting criticism from certain places because he FULLY deserved it! Stop playing victim! Accept responsibility!

[flyingpylon]

I will say it again loudly.

Conservatives / Republicans preach and criticize the other side for many failings. Yet when it comes down to it too many times they are guilty of the same failings!

1) Accept no responsibility
2) Cry Baby from the roof tops
3) Play victim
4) Believe the government need to step in to regulate private business behaviors

Finally... about the Right being "censored" and, thus, having no voice...plus the BIG BAD Main Stream Media brainwashing the populace...

Take a look at these radio ratings:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_m ... o_programs

I count 90 million weekly listeners to conservative radio to only 7 million to progressive talk radio.

Yet it is the BIG BAD Main Stream Media that rules the day and condemns that paragon of virtue, Donald Trump?

Take a look at these TV ratings, which are led by Fox News...

https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-a ... -week-2020

They pale in comparison to the radio ratings.

Conservatives / Republicans need to own up to the fact that Donald Trump got his unrelenting criticism from certain places because he FULLY deserved it! Stop playing victim! Accept responsibility!

Crying about crybabies is even worse.

[vnatale]

I will say it again loudly.

Conservatives / Republicans preach and criticize the other side for many failings. Yet when it comes down to it too many times they are guilty of the same failings!

1) Accept no responsibility
2) Cry Baby from the roof tops
3) Play victim
4) Believe the government need to step in to regulate private business behaviors

Finally... about the Right being "censored" and, thus, having no voice...plus the BIG BAD Main Stream Media brainwashing the populace...

Take a look at these radio ratings:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_m ... o_programs

I count 90 million weekly listeners to conservative radio to only 7 million to progressive talk radio.

Yet it is the BIG BAD Main Stream Media that rules the day and condemns that paragon of virtue, Donald Trump?

Take a look at these TV ratings, which are led by Fox News...

https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-a ... -week-2020

They pale in comparison to the radio ratings.

Conservatives / Republicans need to own up to the fact that Donald Trump got his unrelenting criticism from certain places because he FULLY deserved it! Stop playing victim! Accept responsibility!

Crying about crybabies is even worse.

No. Just confronting them on their hypocracies and inconsistencies.

[InsuranceGuy]

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[Maddy]

Because why? Because MUH FREEDUMS? Wait... doesn't the hosting organizations in all of these (absurd) examples have MUH FREEDUMS too?

Could you make your point without the demeaning regional sound effects intended to paint libertarians as backward illiterates? This has been going on for quite some time, and I'm tired of it.

I don't know who you think you are. Believe it or not, well educated people from all regions of the country regard freedom as the value most important in their lives. I wish I had access to that memorable clip from "Goodwill Hunting" where the intellectually superior graduate student gets knocked down a few notches--in front of a girl. That's about how intelligent you sound to me when you pull out that "knuckle dragger" stuff.

[Mark Leavy]

Censorship waited until the House and the Senate were both on their side. Smart move.

[ochotona]

Parler is dead if AWS decides to tear up the hosting contract. It's in Bezos' hands.

[Mark Leavy]

Parler is dead if AWS decides to tear up the hosting contract. It's in Bezos' hands.

You are absolutely right.
What is your opinion on that?

[whatchamacallit]

Scary stuff. We are going to end up with two different economies in the same country. Banking will be next now.

[ochotona]

Because why? Because MUH FREEDUMS? Wait... doesn't the hosting organizations in all of these (absurd) examples have MUH FREEDUMS too?

Could you make your point without the demeaning regional sound effects intended to paint libertarians as backward illiterates? This has been going on for quite some time, and I'm tired of it.

I don't know who you think you are. Believe it or not, well educated people from all regions of the country regard freedom as the value most important in their lives. I wish I had access to that memorable clip from "Goodwill Hunting" where the intellectually superior graduate student gets knocked down a few notches--in front of a girl. That's about how intelligent you sound to me when you pull out that "knuckle dragger" stuff.

I'm in Texas. When I use the term FREEDUMS in jest, it's meant to be a parody of actual freedom which is quite precious. People in our modern day are deeply confused about confuse freedom versus license.They are not the same. This is a flaw in the Baby Boomer and later character - permissiveness - if it feels good, do it.

When someone demands that a person provide them a good or service, and the other party simply does not wish to, but the demander manages to coerce the provider to provide, then they have abused the concept of freedom in order to accomplish something like theft. One party has gained what they think is freedom (but is really license) but the other party has genuinely lost some freedom. So net-net, it's a loss.

I refer you to the second verse of one of our great national songs. America The Beautiful (1904 version)

O beautiful for pilgrim feet,
Whose stern, impassioned stress
A thoroughfare for freedom beat
Across the wilderness!
America! America!
God mend thine every flaw,
Confirm thy soul in self-control,
Thy liberty in law!

It's an old-fashioned Victorian notion, in this stanza of the poem by Katherine Lee Bates. It is the concept that self-control is important to the body politic, and we experience liberty by being bound up and bound together as a society by our laws.

But they way people are now? Huh, not likely. We live antithetically to that quaint notion now. That's why we have so many lawyers. Because we all have wants, and we fight and fight to get what we want, and society just ends up being like the Survivor TV show. That's one reason why it's so stressful living in today's society.

[I Shrugged]

Google and Apple remove Parler.
CNN urges cable companies to drop Fox News.
An email company drops the Trump account.
I’m sure we’ll be hearing urging of ISPs and what, backbone companies to block pro Trump sites.
Yeah, this is just fine. Not scary at all. I’m sure it will calm the nerves of Trump voters too. Not make them feel they were right all along. This could be a classic case where winning the battle leads to losing the war. The Democrats are salting the soil.

This combined with the urgent efforts to remove Trump make me wonder if they fear a dump of declassified materials or something. But why would they care? They now control the press. The Hunter laptop proved that already.

I’ve been making two predictions. One, the Democrats will now implode. Two, the country will split. Let’s see.

[Cortopassi]

While the results may be scaring people, with the potential loss of freedoms, this was all under Trump's control.

Nov 4th -- I will give it to him he shouldn't have conceded, and he was in his rights to demand legal action and recounts.

Multiple times along the way, in many judicial processes that he lost, he could have conceded.

You may, (and I know some do) 100% say that evidence wasn't allowed to be shown, or whatever else. But to my "blue" pill eyes, every legal remedy was afforded to Trump, all the way to the Supreme Court.

If he would have conceded at some point, he'd still have his Twitter account. And there likely wouldn't have been a storming of the Capitol.

I know there's no convincing some. Fine.

All I ask you recognize over the next few months and years that hey, we haven't become communist. Hey, we are bringing civility back at least a little bit. Hey, Covid did not disappear when Biden won.

And maybe consider that hey, maybe Biden did win fair and square, or at least without widespread fraud.

[flyingpylon]

Parler is dead if AWS decides to tear up the hosting contract. It's in Bezos' hands.

Again, I’m not sure why the Parler folks thought that was a good idea. Seems like a rookie mistake.

Maybe it’s a good thing AWS didn’t get that big DOD contract...

[Mark Leavy]

Parler is dead if AWS decides to tear up the hosting contract. It's in Bezos' hands.

Again, I’m not sure why the Parler folks thought that was a good idea. Seems like a rookie mistake.

Maybe it’s a good thing AWS didn’t get that big DOD contract...

And... It's done.

[InsuranceGuy]

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