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Post by Xan » Fri Jan 08, 2021 3:21 pm

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This was the last chance at peaceful resolution. The Government has sown the wind and will reap the whirlwind. 40% of the country believes the election was rigged and it's 90% probably of the armed and ex-military. And certainly a large number of the current police and military, just probably not the police in the big cities and certainly not in their leadership.
Citations please? I've seen numbers that say 40% of people believe there was election fraud. Is that net fraud that helped Biden? If that wasn't specifically asked, then the numbers go lower. Is that net fraud that changed the overall outcome? If that wasn't specifically asked, then the numbers go down again. Was it fraud that caused the greatest landslide victory in history to turn into a nail-biting win? Well, if that wasn't asked, then the numbers go down further.

I recommend a little more skepticism in your news. Remember when you believed that 6 or so states had actually sent competing slates of electors to Washington? If you believe that, then it really does make sense for Congress to be debating which ones to accept. You did believe it, then were corrected, but didn't allow the correction to change your views.

When you read something that is explosive, maybe take a little time to think about it, verify it, before inwardly digesting it. That 40% number is NOT a list of people who want to take up arms against the government. There were ZERO states that sent competing electors.
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I'm thinking when trying to drain the swamp, there were a lot more swamp things than President Trump realized.
I got this song playin' in my head. Just need to come up with some lyrics to accompany the refrain.....

He fought the swamp and the swamp won
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Post by SomeDude » Fri Jan 08, 2021 4:04 pm

Xan wrote:
Fri Jan 08, 2021 3:21 pm


Citations please? I've seen numbers that say 40% of people believe there was election fraud. Is that net fraud that helped Biden? If that wasn't specifically asked, then the numbers go lower. Is that net fraud that changed the overall outcome? If that wasn't specifically asked, then the numbers go down again. Was it fraud that caused the greatest landslide victory in history to turn into a nail-biting win? Well, if that wasn't asked, then the numbers go down further.

I recommend a little more skepticism in your news. Remember when you believed that 6 or so states had actually sent competing slates of electors to Washington? If you believe that, then it really does make sense for Congress to be debating which ones to accept. You did believe it, then were corrected, but didn't allow the correction to change your views.

When you read something that is explosive, maybe take a little time to think about it, verify it, before inwardly digesting it. That 40% number is NOT a list of people who want to take up arms against the government. There were ZERO states that sent competing electors.
Here you go on the 40% from NPR, unless they are too inflammatory:

https://www.npr.org/2020/12/30/95109564 ... y-theories

"And one-third of Americans believe that voter fraud helped Joe Biden win the 2020 election, despite the fact that courts, election officials and the Justice Department have found no evidence of widespread fraud that could have changed the outcome."

That's 1/3 which is 33%. You can assume they rounded since they didn't use percentages in the article. I've seen the chart from the last few days, should have come from this NPR poll but I can't find it on their site. Something like 78% of Repubs, 6% of Dems, and 40% of independents which ends up being about 40% of the country since there's allegedly more Dems.

Regarding electors:

https://www.yahoo.com/now/alternative-p ... 55724.html

Quote "Having exhausted all other options, Donald Trump and the die-hard supporters of “Stop the Steal” have settled on the notion of getting Congress to count alternative slates of electors from seven states — Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada, New Mexico, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin — who cast their states’ votes for Trump despite certified popular vote totals showing Trump lost those states.”"

This is from the National Review, a very anti-Trump publication. Is that an inflammatory whatever?

Yes these electors were not certified by their respective secretaries of state, only the Biden electors were. No I do not know if Pence had envelopes with the Trump votes. Reliable information on that detail will probably be impossible to get. If he did, he could certainly say he's got sets of competing electors, and per the constitution the State legislatures need to return to him a verdict on which are legit. PUT THEM TO A VOTE.

He could have also set the votes aside from the obvious fraud states. It doesn't matter what happens after that, if he's "successful" or not. Instead he threw in with the fraud and the enemy of the American people.
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Post by Tortoise » Fri Jan 08, 2021 4:17 pm

Forty-seven percent (47%) say it’s likely that Democrats stole voters or destroyed pro-Trump ballots in several states to ensure that Joe Biden would win. Forty-nine percent (49%) consider that unlikely. This includes 36% who say voter fraud was Very Likely and 39% who think it was Not At All Likely. These findings are little changed from mid-November.

Sixty-two percent (62%) of Republicans say it’s Very Likely the Democrats stole the election, a view shared by 17% of Democrats and 28% of voters not affiliated with either major party.
https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public ... aud_likely
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Re: Breaking News, Politics version

Post by Xan » Fri Jan 08, 2021 4:27 pm

SomeDude wrote:
Fri Jan 08, 2021 4:04 pm
Here you go on the 40% from NPR, unless they are too inflammatory:

https://www.npr.org/2020/12/30/95109564 ... y-theories

"And one-third of Americans believe that voter fraud helped Joe Biden win the 2020 election, despite the fact that courts, election officials and the Justice Department have found no evidence of widespread fraud that could have changed the outcome."
Okay, so we started at 40% who believed there was fraud, now we're down to 33% who believe there was net fraud in the Biden direction. It doesn't say anything about there being sufficient fraud to swing the election, which would be yet a lower number.

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Fri Jan 08, 2021 4:04 pm
Regarding electors:

https://www.yahoo.com/now/alternative-p ... 55724.html

Quote "Having exhausted all other options, Donald Trump and the die-hard supporters of “Stop the Steal” have settled on the notion of getting Congress to count alternative slates of electors from seven states — Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada, New Mexico, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin — who cast their states’ votes for Trump despite certified popular vote totals showing Trump lost those states.”"

This is from the National Review, a very anti-Trump publication. Is that an inflammatory whatever?
That doesn't say that the slates of electors even exist. It just says what the strategy of the die-hards is. Please make sure you're reading carefully!
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Post by flyingpylon » Fri Jan 08, 2021 4:30 pm

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Does anyone know how many arrests were made?
Seems like not many. I honestly don’t know.
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40+ police injured in this "mostly peaceful" riot?

Also, if a black person had been so proudly sitting in Nancy Pelosi's chair do you think he would NOT have been arrested as the actual guy who did that has not been arrested and who is bragging about sitting in that chair and not being arrested?

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Post by dualstow » Fri Jan 08, 2021 4:44 pm

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I'd predict that this is only the beginning, with [or] without Donald Trump.
No doubt.
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Re: Breaking News, Politics version

Post by SomeDude » Fri Jan 08, 2021 4:49 pm

Xan wrote:
Fri Jan 08, 2021 4:27 pm
That doesn't say that the slates of electors even exist. It just says what the strategy of the die-hards is. Please make sure you're reading carefully!
https://www.wsj.com/articles/republican ... 1609164000

That's the Wall Street Journal.

https://www.vox.com/22173990/electoral- ... hen-miller

That's Vox. Quote "And Trump’s chosen electors did indeed meet in states including Georgia, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Nevada, and Michigan to cast their votes for Trump"

Jesus Christ I'm wasting all my political posts on this. This is the last one. I literally only had to google "alternate electors" and this was the 2nd and 3rd.

You can say that the competing electors were not certified by their secretary's of state, but competing sets of electors for certain states came in.

Bottom line......Pence counted the votes based on fraud, and congress certified them.....fallout is inevitable. Surely they know that, and are looking forward to the fight.
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Re: Breaking News, Politics version

Post by Xan » Fri Jan 08, 2021 5:08 pm

SomeDude wrote:
Fri Jan 08, 2021 4:49 pm
Xan wrote:
Fri Jan 08, 2021 4:27 pm
That doesn't say that the slates of electors even exist. It just says what the strategy of the die-hards is. Please make sure you're reading carefully!
https://www.wsj.com/articles/republican ... 1609164000

That's the Wall Street Journal.

https://www.vox.com/22173990/electoral- ... hen-miller

That's Vox. Quote "And Trump’s chosen electors did indeed meet in states including Georgia, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Nevada, and Michigan to cast their votes for Trump"

Jesus Christ I'm wasting all my political posts on this. This is the last one. I literally only had to google "alternate electors" and this was the 2nd and 3rd.

You can say that the competing electors were not certified by their secretary's of state, but competing sets of electors for certain states came in.

Bottom line......Pence counted the votes based on fraud, and congress certified them.....fallout is inevitable. Surely they know that, and are looking forward to the fight.
"Trump's Chosen Electors"? You don't get to choose your own electors. They weren't just not certified by the secretary of state, they weren't certified by anybody. Just because you claim to be an elector doesn't make you one.
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Re: Breaking News, Politics version

Post by SomeDude » Fri Jan 08, 2021 5:23 pm

Xan wrote:
Fri Jan 08, 2021 5:08 pm
SomeDude wrote:
Fri Jan 08, 2021 4:49 pm
Xan wrote:
Fri Jan 08, 2021 4:27 pm
That doesn't say that the slates of electors even exist. It just says what the strategy of the die-hards is. Please make sure you're reading carefully!
https://www.wsj.com/articles/republican ... 1609164000

That's the Wall Street Journal.

https://www.vox.com/22173990/electoral- ... hen-miller

That's Vox. Quote "And Trump’s chosen electors did indeed meet in states including Georgia, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Nevada, and Michigan to cast their votes for Trump"

Jesus Christ I'm wasting all my political posts on this. This is the last one. I literally only had to google "alternate electors" and this was the 2nd and 3rd.

You can say that the competing electors were not certified by their secretary's of state, but competing sets of electors for certain states came in.

Bottom line......Pence counted the votes based on fraud, and congress certified them.....fallout is inevitable. Surely they know that, and are looking forward to the fight.
"Trump's Chosen Electors"? You don't get to choose your own electors. They weren't just not certified by the secretary of state, they weren't certified by anybody. Just because you claim to be an elector doesn't make you one.
You are falling for Vox's sophistry. Media outlets use certain words or phrases to manipulate the views of readers. They do it because it works well with a lot of people. It's like when they call the BLM rioters "protestors" then calling the election-fraud protestors "rioters"
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Re: Breaking News, Politics version

Post by Xan » Fri Jan 08, 2021 6:01 pm

SomeDude wrote:
Fri Jan 08, 2021 5:23 pm
Xan wrote:
Fri Jan 08, 2021 5:08 pm
SomeDude wrote:
Fri Jan 08, 2021 4:49 pm
Xan wrote:
Fri Jan 08, 2021 4:27 pm
That doesn't say that the slates of electors even exist. It just says what the strategy of the die-hards is. Please make sure you're reading carefully!
https://www.wsj.com/articles/republican ... 1609164000

That's the Wall Street Journal.

https://www.vox.com/22173990/electoral- ... hen-miller

That's Vox. Quote "And Trump’s chosen electors did indeed meet in states including Georgia, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Nevada, and Michigan to cast their votes for Trump"

Jesus Christ I'm wasting all my political posts on this. This is the last one. I literally only had to google "alternate electors" and this was the 2nd and 3rd.

You can say that the competing electors were not certified by their secretary's of state, but competing sets of electors for certain states came in.

Bottom line......Pence counted the votes based on fraud, and congress certified them.....fallout is inevitable. Surely they know that, and are looking forward to the fight.
"Trump's Chosen Electors"? You don't get to choose your own electors. They weren't just not certified by the secretary of state, they weren't certified by anybody. Just because you claim to be an elector doesn't make you one.
You are falling for Vox's sophistry. Media outlets use certain words or phrases to manipulate the views of readers. They do it because it works well with a lot of people. It's like when they call the BLM rioters "protestors" then calling the election-fraud protestors "rioters"
It isn't sophistry. Electors are sent by their states. If you're not sent by the state government then you're not an elector.
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Post by Maddy » Fri Jan 08, 2021 8:37 pm

Virtually ALL of the widely-followed conservative voices have been disappeared from Twitter. The last purge occurred just a couple of hours ago, which took down another huge swath. Android and Apple users are unable to get access to alternative conservative sites. For all practical purposes, the internet has gone mostly dark for one side of the political divide.

Who would have thought this could happen in America? The husband of a friend, who resides in Germany, expressed astonishment this evening at the complacency of the American public. He said that what's happening here is shudderingly similar to the events of Germany 1930s.

The Left has declared war on the rest of the country. I do not expect this to end well.
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Post by Maddy » Sun Jan 10, 2021 3:44 pm

It's being reported just now that Antifa has taken over the streets of New York City, replete with riot gear. https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/13 ... t-video%2F
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Maddy wrote:
Sun Jan 10, 2021 3:44 pm
It's being reported just now that Antifa has taken over the streets of New York City, replete with riot gear. https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/13 ... t-video%2F
Eesh. We are beyond the point of no return, aren’t we. I am truly frightened for the crap that is coming our way.
Nothing on the front page of the New York Times so far. Why am I not surprised.
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Re: Breaking News, Politics version

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Maddy wrote:
Sun Jan 10, 2021 3:44 pm
It's being reported just now that Antifa has taken over the streets of New York City, replete with riot gear. https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/13 ... t-video%2F
This is impossible. Trump and all his cronies have been kicked off social media. Someone has to explain how they caused this. Lefties please help.
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Post by glennds » Sun Jan 10, 2021 5:58 pm

SomeDude wrote:
Sun Jan 10, 2021 5:40 pm
Maddy wrote:
Sun Jan 10, 2021 3:44 pm
It's being reported just now that Antifa has taken over the streets of New York City, replete with riot gear. https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/13 ... t-video%2F
This is impossible. Trump and all his cronies have been kicked off social media. Someone has to explain how they caused this. Lefties please help.
Apparently it's being reported by a guy who has written a book about.... Antifa.

There's a Paypal link where you can donate money to him if you're interested.
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Post by vnatale » Sun Jan 10, 2021 6:16 pm

SomeDude wrote:
Sun Jan 10, 2021 5:40 pm

Maddy wrote:
Sun Jan 10, 2021 3:44 pm

It's being reported just now that Antifa has taken over the streets of New York City, replete with riot gear. https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/13 ... t-video%2F


This is impossible. Trump and all his cronies have been kicked off social media. Someone has to explain how they caused this. Lefties please help.


I just did a search on this.

I think I witnessed the proverbial "echo chamber" as everywhere that was reporting the story reported it in the same was--seemingly all from the same source.

All I have been able to see is the same two extremely close cropped videos.

Anyone able to find anything else beyond that?

How many is "large"? Is 10 "large"? 20 "large"? How many were there? Is this not a simple thing to report to go along with the extremely close cropped videos? Or, were those video so extremely close cropped so as to pander to a certain audience?

Just did a search here for antifa: https://www.foxnews.com/.

Surely if this was something of any consequence Fox News would have been reporting it in some way? No one is censoring them these days, are they?

I'll wait until someone can do a better search than I can and tell the rest of us more details about this, including how "large" the mob was. With those details coming from some credible site. Fox News is a paragon of credibility compared to some of the extremely biased and fringe sources I've seen cited here.

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Post by dualstow » Sun Jan 10, 2021 6:26 pm

glennds wrote:
Sun Jan 10, 2021 5:58 pm
SomeDude wrote:
Sun Jan 10, 2021 5:40 pm
Maddy wrote:
Sun Jan 10, 2021 3:44 pm
It's being reported just now that Antifa has taken over the streets of New York City, replete with riot gear. https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/13 ... t-video%2F
This is impossible. Trump and all his cronies have been kicked off social media. Someone has to explain how they caused this. Lefties please help.
Apparently it's being reported by a guy who has written a book about.... Antifa.

There's a Paypal link where you can donate money to him if you're interested.
Andy Ngo is pretty well-known. Yes, many on the left consider him a fraud. They also accuse him of editing videos in a way that it makes the right look better. I don’t know, he’s out there getting footage and he often does get punched or otherwise attacked. he’s not perfect, but i like him.
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Post by Mark Leavy » Sun Jan 10, 2021 6:49 pm

dualstow wrote:
Sun Jan 10, 2021 6:26 pm
glennds wrote:
Sun Jan 10, 2021 5:58 pm
SomeDude wrote:
Sun Jan 10, 2021 5:40 pm
Maddy wrote:
Sun Jan 10, 2021 3:44 pm
It's being reported just now that Antifa has taken over the streets of New York City, replete with riot gear. https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/13 ... t-video%2F
This is impossible. Trump and all his cronies have been kicked off social media. Someone has to explain how they caused this. Lefties please help.
Apparently it's being reported by a guy who has written a book about.... Antifa.

There's a Paypal link where you can donate money to him if you're interested.
Andy Ngo is pretty well-known. Yes, many on the left consider him a fraud. They also accuse him of editing videos in a way that it makes the right look better. I don’t know, he’s out there getting footage and he often does get punched or otherwise attacked. he’s not perfect, but i like him.
I’ve watched his Portland videos and they match what I’ve seen firsthand in three trips through town last year.

I’m sick to my stomach at what they did to a great city. Well, not so much sick at them. Sick at the feckless pseudo males that sat back and let a wonderful place devolve into a shithole.
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Post by vnatale » Sun Jan 10, 2021 6:57 pm

dualstow wrote:
Sun Jan 10, 2021 6:26 pm

glennds wrote:
Sun Jan 10, 2021 5:58 pm

SomeDude wrote:
Sun Jan 10, 2021 5:40 pm

Maddy wrote:
Sun Jan 10, 2021 3:44 pm

It's being reported just now that Antifa has taken over the streets of New York City, replete with riot gear. https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/13 ... t-video%2F


This is impossible. Trump and all his cronies have been kicked off social media. Someone has to explain how they caused this. Lefties please help.


Apparently it's being reported by a guy who has written a book about.... Antifa.

There's a Paypal link where you can donate money to him if you're interested.


Andy Ngo is pretty well-known. Yes, many on the left consider him a fraud. They also accuse him of editing videos in a way that it makes the right look better. I don’t know, he’s out there getting footage and he often does get punched or otherwise attacked. he’s not perfect, but i like him.


I'd never heard of him until reading what you wrote above. When I went to his Twitter page from the link that started all of this I did not even take notice of his name. But after you did bring his name to my attention this is what I found.

Vinny

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andy_Ngo

Several media outlets, including The Oregonian and The Rolling Stone have been critical of Ngo and described him as a "right-wing provocateur".[22][23][24][25][26][27][28] BuzzFeed News said that "Ngo's work is probably best described as media activism" and that he engages in "participant reporting".[3] New York magazine cites Ngo as an example of "busybody journalism."[16] In April 2019, the conservative news and opinion website The Bulwark stated that some of Ngo's tweets "were so obscure they smacked of outrage mining" following the fires at the Notre-Dame cathedral.[29]


He has also been accused of using selectively edited videos and sharing misleading and inaccurate information to paint antifa activists as violent, and to underplay the violence of the far-right.[23][34][35][36][37][38][39][40]


The Portland-based newspaper Willamette Week stated that "it is increasingly clear he is coordinating his movements and his message with right-wing groups".[65] Bernstein reported that "[Ngo]'s literal brand is that anti-fascists are violent and loathe him", adding that he "has been building to a dramatic confrontation with the Portland far left for months, his star rising along with the severity of the encounters." Bernstein stated that Ngo "is willing to make himself the story and to stream himself doing it. He proceeds from a worldview and seeks to confirm it, without asking to what degree his coverage becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy", pointing out that Ngo even proposed going to "a far-left hangout" during the writing of the profile piece.[3]
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Post by Mark Leavy » Sun Jan 10, 2021 7:29 pm

vnatale wrote:
Sun Jan 10, 2021 6:57 pm
The Portland-based newspaper Willamette Week stated that "it is increasingly clear he is coordinating his movements and his message with right-wing groups".[65] Bernstein reported that "[Ngo]'s literal brand is that anti-fascists are violent and loathe him", adding that he "has been building to a dramatic confrontation with the Portland far left for months, his star rising along with the severity of the encounters." Bernstein stated that Ngo "is willing to make himself the story and to stream himself doing it. He proceeds from a worldview and seeks to confirm it, without asking to what degree his coverage becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy", pointing out that Ngo even proposed going to "a far-left hangout" during the writing of the profile piece.[3]
Vinny, I can't blame you for what you read.

I lived 25 years in Portland. The Willamette Week is pure propaganda. The Oregonian only slightly less so. I wish I could take you through a tour downtown from 5 years ago and then again today. Even in 2013, when I left, Antifa was gaining momentum. It would be a rare day you could walk downtown without seeing the benighted throwing shit and yelling 'fuck the police'. I would probably be a little more condemnatory than Ngo is, but he is certainly not exaggerating.
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Post by vnatale » Sun Jan 10, 2021 7:51 pm

Mark Leavy wrote:
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Vinny, I can't blame you for what you read.

I lived 25 years in Portland. The Willamette Week is pure propaganda. The Oregonian only slightly less so. I wish I could take you through a tour downtown from 5 years ago and then again today. Even in 2013, when I left, Antifa was gaining momentum. It would be a rare day you could walk downtown without seeing the benighted throwing shit and yelling 'fuck the police'. I would probably be a little more condemnatory than Ngo is, but he is certainly not exaggerating.


From what I've read of you here, you have the highest creditability with me. I've never read anything you have written that I've doubted.

My only exposure to Ngo was what I saw today. It seems to go exactly along with this:

He has also been accused of using selectively edited videos and sharing misleading and inaccurate information to paint antifa activists as violent,

All I have seen are two extreme closely cropped videos which seemed to be done purposely to mislead. I am also still waiting for someone to document how "large" that mob was.

Thanks for your improving my education of Portland now and then. Prior to this summer all I ever thought of Portland was this:

. After being selected as the first overall pick in the 1974 NBA draft, Walton led the Portland Trail Blazers to an NBA championship in 1977, earning the NBA Finals Most Valuable Player Award that season.

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Post by dualstow » Sun Jan 10, 2021 7:59 pm

vnatale wrote:
Sun Jan 10, 2021 6:57 pm
I'd never heard of him until reading what you wrote above. When I went to his Twitter page from the link that started all of this I did not even take notice of his name. But after you did bring his name to my attention this is what I found.

Vinny

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andy_Ngo

Several media outlets, including The Oregonian and The Rolling Stone have been critical...

I’m not going to quote your whole paste because it doesn’t really say anything that I said in a few lines.

I’ll tell you about one of the selectively edited videos: During one of those MAGA protests, a bunch of BLM activists ganged up on a white dude, attacked him more than once and always from behind, and one guy took him out with what must have been an iron rod up his sleeve (also from behind).

Yes, the victim probably wouldn’t like me very much for being a Hebrew. And yes, the video was edited: Ngo left out the part where the white dude pushed another white dude with a megaphone yelling for him to get out of town. Pushed him.

This is what the left was angry about. Person after person angrily tweeting that Ngo had “doctored” or otherwise messed with the video. As if they were otherwise ok with these people attacking him* from behind, knocking him down with a deadly weapon, and — oh by the way stomping on him and stealing his phone after he was down and bloodied. I don’t know if the guy is even still alive.

But he did push megaphone guy to the ground. And Andy Ngo, although he did leave the source’s name of the original video intact, making it easy to find, did chop off that pushing scene.

*him = the white dude, not Ngo, who is of Vietnamese extraction.
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