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Re: Breaking News, Politics version

Post by glennds » Sun Jan 10, 2021 5:58 pm

SomeDude wrote:
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Maddy wrote:
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It's being reported just now that Antifa has taken over the streets of New York City, replete with riot gear. https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/13 ... t-video%2F
This is impossible. Trump and all his cronies have been kicked off social media. Someone has to explain how they caused this. Lefties please help.
Apparently it's being reported by a guy who has written a book about.... Antifa.

There's a Paypal link where you can donate money to him if you're interested.
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Re: Breaking News, Politics version

Post by vnatale » Sun Jan 10, 2021 6:16 pm

SomeDude wrote:
Sun Jan 10, 2021 5:40 pm

Maddy wrote:
Sun Jan 10, 2021 3:44 pm

It's being reported just now that Antifa has taken over the streets of New York City, replete with riot gear. https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/13 ... t-video%2F


This is impossible. Trump and all his cronies have been kicked off social media. Someone has to explain how they caused this. Lefties please help.


I just did a search on this.

I think I witnessed the proverbial "echo chamber" as everywhere that was reporting the story reported it in the same was--seemingly all from the same source.

All I have been able to see is the same two extremely close cropped videos.

Anyone able to find anything else beyond that?

How many is "large"? Is 10 "large"? 20 "large"? How many were there? Is this not a simple thing to report to go along with the extremely close cropped videos? Or, were those video so extremely close cropped so as to pander to a certain audience?

Just did a search here for antifa: https://www.foxnews.com/.

Surely if this was something of any consequence Fox News would have been reporting it in some way? No one is censoring them these days, are they?

I'll wait until someone can do a better search than I can and tell the rest of us more details about this, including how "large" the mob was. With those details coming from some credible site. Fox News is a paragon of credibility compared to some of the extremely biased and fringe sources I've seen cited here.

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Re: Breaking News, Politics version

Post by dualstow » Sun Jan 10, 2021 6:26 pm

glennds wrote:
Sun Jan 10, 2021 5:58 pm
SomeDude wrote:
Sun Jan 10, 2021 5:40 pm
Maddy wrote:
Sun Jan 10, 2021 3:44 pm
It's being reported just now that Antifa has taken over the streets of New York City, replete with riot gear. https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/13 ... t-video%2F
This is impossible. Trump and all his cronies have been kicked off social media. Someone has to explain how they caused this. Lefties please help.
Apparently it's being reported by a guy who has written a book about.... Antifa.

There's a Paypal link where you can donate money to him if you're interested.
Andy Ngo is pretty well-known. Yes, many on the left consider him a fraud. They also accuse him of editing videos in a way that it makes the right look better. I don’t know, he’s out there getting footage and he often does get punched or otherwise attacked. he’s not perfect, but i like him.
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Re: Breaking News, Politics version

Post by Mark Leavy » Sun Jan 10, 2021 6:49 pm

dualstow wrote:
Sun Jan 10, 2021 6:26 pm
glennds wrote:
Sun Jan 10, 2021 5:58 pm
SomeDude wrote:
Sun Jan 10, 2021 5:40 pm
Maddy wrote:
Sun Jan 10, 2021 3:44 pm
It's being reported just now that Antifa has taken over the streets of New York City, replete with riot gear. https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/13 ... t-video%2F
This is impossible. Trump and all his cronies have been kicked off social media. Someone has to explain how they caused this. Lefties please help.
Apparently it's being reported by a guy who has written a book about.... Antifa.

There's a Paypal link where you can donate money to him if you're interested.
Andy Ngo is pretty well-known. Yes, many on the left consider him a fraud. They also accuse him of editing videos in a way that it makes the right look better. I don’t know, he’s out there getting footage and he often does get punched or otherwise attacked. he’s not perfect, but i like him.
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Re: Breaking News, Politics version

Post by vnatale » Sun Jan 10, 2021 6:57 pm

dualstow wrote:
Sun Jan 10, 2021 6:26 pm

glennds wrote:
Sun Jan 10, 2021 5:58 pm

SomeDude wrote:
Sun Jan 10, 2021 5:40 pm

Maddy wrote:
Sun Jan 10, 2021 3:44 pm

It's being reported just now that Antifa has taken over the streets of New York City, replete with riot gear. https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/13 ... t-video%2F


This is impossible. Trump and all his cronies have been kicked off social media. Someone has to explain how they caused this. Lefties please help.


Apparently it's being reported by a guy who has written a book about.... Antifa.

There's a Paypal link where you can donate money to him if you're interested.


Andy Ngo is pretty well-known. Yes, many on the left consider him a fraud. They also accuse him of editing videos in a way that it makes the right look better. I don’t know, he’s out there getting footage and he often does get punched or otherwise attacked. he’s not perfect, but i like him.


I'd never heard of him until reading what you wrote above. When I went to his Twitter page from the link that started all of this I did not even take notice of his name. But after you did bring his name to my attention this is what I found.

Vinny

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andy_Ngo

Several media outlets, including The Oregonian and The Rolling Stone have been critical of Ngo and described him as a "right-wing provocateur".[22][23][24][25][26][27][28] BuzzFeed News said that "Ngo's work is probably best described as media activism" and that he engages in "participant reporting".[3] New York magazine cites Ngo as an example of "busybody journalism."[16] In April 2019, the conservative news and opinion website The Bulwark stated that some of Ngo's tweets "were so obscure they smacked of outrage mining" following the fires at the Notre-Dame cathedral.[29]


He has also been accused of using selectively edited videos and sharing misleading and inaccurate information to paint antifa activists as violent, and to underplay the violence of the far-right.[23][34][35][36][37][38][39][40]


The Portland-based newspaper Willamette Week stated that "it is increasingly clear he is coordinating his movements and his message with right-wing groups".[65] Bernstein reported that "[Ngo]'s literal brand is that anti-fascists are violent and loathe him", adding that he "has been building to a dramatic confrontation with the Portland far left for months, his star rising along with the severity of the encounters." Bernstein stated that Ngo "is willing to make himself the story and to stream himself doing it. He proceeds from a worldview and seeks to confirm it, without asking to what degree his coverage becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy", pointing out that Ngo even proposed going to "a far-left hangout" during the writing of the profile piece.[3]
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Re: Breaking News, Politics version

Post by Mark Leavy » Sun Jan 10, 2021 7:29 pm

vnatale wrote:
Sun Jan 10, 2021 6:57 pm
The Portland-based newspaper Willamette Week stated that "it is increasingly clear he is coordinating his movements and his message with right-wing groups".[65] Bernstein reported that "[Ngo]'s literal brand is that anti-fascists are violent and loathe him", adding that he "has been building to a dramatic confrontation with the Portland far left for months, his star rising along with the severity of the encounters." Bernstein stated that Ngo "is willing to make himself the story and to stream himself doing it. He proceeds from a worldview and seeks to confirm it, without asking to what degree his coverage becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy", pointing out that Ngo even proposed going to "a far-left hangout" during the writing of the profile piece.[3]
Vinny, I can't blame you for what you read.

I lived 25 years in Portland. The Willamette Week is pure propaganda. The Oregonian only slightly less so. I wish I could take you through a tour downtown from 5 years ago and then again today. Even in 2013, when I left, Antifa was gaining momentum. It would be a rare day you could walk downtown without seeing the benighted throwing shit and yelling 'fuck the police'. I would probably be a little more condemnatory than Ngo is, but he is certainly not exaggerating.
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Re: Breaking News, Politics version

Post by vnatale » Sun Jan 10, 2021 7:51 pm

Mark Leavy wrote:
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Vinny, I can't blame you for what you read.

I lived 25 years in Portland. The Willamette Week is pure propaganda. The Oregonian only slightly less so. I wish I could take you through a tour downtown from 5 years ago and then again today. Even in 2013, when I left, Antifa was gaining momentum. It would be a rare day you could walk downtown without seeing the benighted throwing shit and yelling 'fuck the police'. I would probably be a little more condemnatory than Ngo is, but he is certainly not exaggerating.


From what I've read of you here, you have the highest creditability with me. I've never read anything you have written that I've doubted.

My only exposure to Ngo was what I saw today. It seems to go exactly along with this:

He has also been accused of using selectively edited videos and sharing misleading and inaccurate information to paint antifa activists as violent,

All I have seen are two extreme closely cropped videos which seemed to be done purposely to mislead. I am also still waiting for someone to document how "large" that mob was.

Thanks for your improving my education of Portland now and then. Prior to this summer all I ever thought of Portland was this:

. After being selected as the first overall pick in the 1974 NBA draft, Walton led the Portland Trail Blazers to an NBA championship in 1977, earning the NBA Finals Most Valuable Player Award that season.

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Post by dualstow » Sun Jan 10, 2021 7:59 pm

vnatale wrote:
Sun Jan 10, 2021 6:57 pm
I'd never heard of him until reading what you wrote above. When I went to his Twitter page from the link that started all of this I did not even take notice of his name. But after you did bring his name to my attention this is what I found.

Vinny

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andy_Ngo

Several media outlets, including The Oregonian and The Rolling Stone have been critical...

I’m not going to quote your whole paste because it doesn’t really say anything that I said in a few lines.

I’ll tell you about one of the selectively edited videos: During one of those MAGA protests, a bunch of BLM activists ganged up on a white dude, attacked him more than once and always from behind, and one guy took him out with what must have been an iron rod up his sleeve (also from behind).

Yes, the victim probably wouldn’t like me very much for being a Hebrew. And yes, the video was edited: Ngo left out the part where the white dude pushed another white dude with a megaphone yelling for him to get out of town. Pushed him.

This is what the left was angry about. Person after person angrily tweeting that Ngo had “doctored” or otherwise messed with the video. As if they were otherwise ok with these people attacking him* from behind, knocking him down with a deadly weapon, and — oh by the way stomping on him and stealing his phone after he was down and bloodied. I don’t know if the guy is even still alive.

But he did push megaphone guy to the ground. And Andy Ngo, although he did leave the source’s name of the original video intact, making it easy to find, did chop off that pushing scene.

*him = the white dude, not Ngo, who is of Vietnamese extraction.
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Re: Breaking News, Politics version

Post by Maddy » Tue Jan 12, 2021 11:08 am

BREAKING:

PBS Principal Counsel Michael Beller has this to say:
“Go to the White House & throw Molotov cocktails...”

“Even if Biden wins, we go for all the Republican voters, Homeland Security will take their children away…”
THIS is what libertarian conservatives are up against. The Progressive Left has, in fact, declared war on the American people, and it's our tax dollars that are being used to fund it.

https://twitter.com/JamesOKeefeIII/stat ... 5628288006
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Maddy wrote:
Tue Jan 12, 2021 11:08 am
BREAKING:

PBS Principal Counsel Michael Beller has this to say:
“Go to the White House & throw Molotov cocktails...”

“Even if Biden wins, we go for all the Republican voters, Homeland Security will take their children away…”
THIS is what libertarian conservatives are up against. The Progressive Left has, in fact, declared war on the American people, and it's our tax dollars that are being used to fund it.

https://twitter.com/JamesOKeefeIII/stat ... 5628288006
What a disgusting man.
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Post by l82start » Tue Jan 12, 2021 6:07 pm

Washington (CNN) Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell has indicated that he believes that impeaching President Donald Trump will make it easier to get rid of the President and Trumpism from the Republican Party, according to a source with knowledge of the matter.


if the republicans purge the "trump supporters" or the "new populism" the republican party is dead nobody outside of bill Kristol's dinner party friends want the neocons back....
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Post by I Shrugged » Tue Jan 12, 2021 6:14 pm

l82start wrote:
Tue Jan 12, 2021 6:07 pm
Washington (CNN) Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell has indicated that he believes that impeaching President Donald Trump will make it easier to get rid of the President and Trumpism from the Republican Party, according to a source with knowledge of the matter.


if the republicans purge the "trump supporters" or the "new populism" the republican party is dead nobody outside of bill Kristol's dinner party friends want the neocons back....
That's funny. I think the neocons are living in a fantasy world.

Tulsi Gabbard made the point the other day that a lot of what the GOP did in congress was just for show. The party might die. Something similar will replace it, and maybe something better.
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