Poll: Have You Thought Of Leaving Forum Because Of Politics?

[Mountaineer]

Perfect!!!! It is now 48% to 52%.

[Vil]

Perfect!!!! It is now 48% to 52%.

Does it properly show all the votes by mail ...

[Mountaineer]

Perfect!!!! It is now 48% to 52%.

Does it properly show all the votes by mail ...

Excellent! Just Excellent!!!!! Now it’s 45-55 so I guess yes. I shall check with Hugo and Xi to verify.

[vnatale]

Perfect!!!! It is now 48% to 52%.

Now 45 to 55. But both what you cite and I cite are close to the actual results, though as seen in a mirror.

Vinny

[SomeDude]

Perfect!!!! It is now 48% to 52%.

Does it properly show all the votes by mail ...

Excellent! Just Excellent!!!!! Now it’s 45-55 so I guess yes. I shall check with Hugo and Xi to verify.

Has Putin called to congratulate the no's yet?

[Ad Orientem]

I am glad that the political discussions have been sequestered (or quarantined?) in their own sub forum. The "other discussions" were getting carpet bombed by political threads and non political discussions were getting pushed off.

[Mountaineer]

Has Putin called to congratulate the no's yet?

I got an email from the Kremlin. Also one from a Nigerian prince who needs help unlocking his inheritance if I send over a dozen American Gold Eagles. Yeah, nice try, as if I would ever buy a gold eagle. #BuffaloMasterRace

Anyway seems like this poll has stirred up tons of international interest.

You are certainly trying to Buffalo us!

[Maddy]

Here's the only question that really interests me: Why are the otherwise level-headed members of this forum indulging this obvious attempt to destabilize the forum?

This looks virtually identical to what transpires in the workplace when a single disgruntled employee decides that "it's over"-- but instead of making a graceful exit, sets multiple balls in motion, all calculated to collide down the road with the ultimate objective of blowing everything sky high. Of course, when the balls collide down the road, that person is nowhere in sight. "Who, me?" It's textbook borderline behavior that's easy to spot if you've ever witnessed adolescent borderline girls in a psych unit.

And, just so there's no misunderstanding: Yes, I am saying that you--pmward--are acting like an adolescent girl with borderline personality disorder. Get a hold of yourself and start taking responsibility for your world. You have the freedom to create whatever you want for yourself, your only obstacle being your belief that other people's viewpoints prevent you from having a good life.

[Vil]

adolescent girl with borderline personality disorder

I am not an American and it well might be that I am missing something here. Is the above a normal way of communication between forum mates that are here to share worth financial information and possibly help each other ? Recently, I have seen in the forum so many statements like the above, so I think I got my English on the very next level.

I do not care about politics, especially in US. Its pretty impressive that out of 300M people you have those 2 candidates to choose from. Its your US business (and forum as well!), and I am quite convinced pmward does not need any advocate, but I am also convinced he has very nice and informative way of sharing information and has contributed a lot (quite opposite to me). Not sure if many people have the level of maturity to separate the political and non-political discussions and keep their bias away when talking about investments with someone from the opposite party. Really not sure. But its your business, supposedly you know better.


PS. Feel free to call me troll and drama queen

[SomeDude]

I am not an American and it well might be that I am missing something here. Is the above a normal way of communication between forum mates that are here to share worth financial information and possibly help each other ?

Yes that's why we fought a revolution against your king Vil, you drama queen troll.

kidding

[Maddy]

adolescent girl with borderline personality disorder

Not sure if many people have the level of maturity to separate the political and non-political discussions and keep their bias away when talking about investments with someone from the opposite party.

Uh, this is the Politics subforum. Why would you suggest that the discussion here injects bias into discussions about investments that appear elsewhere on the PP forum?

I call them as I see them. When you come to a libertarian-oriented forum such as this and complain that the libertarian viewpoint ought to be silenced, you're making yourself a prime example of what Harry Browne identified as both a self-defeating trap and a fool's errand: believing that your world can be better only if others can be made to believe as you do. So why does someone who so detests the libertarian way of thinking (which permeates and is inseparable from Harry's investment philosophy) continue to come to the PP forum? Even more saliently, what causes such a person to frequent the politics area of such a forum--to the point where his profile shows that he makes more posts there than on any investment-related subforum?

We are living in a time where conservative and libertarian viewpoints are being silenced everywhere you look. Youtube videos addressing anything other than the mainstream political narrative are being systematically deleted. Just about every serious commentator of the conservative or libertarian persuasion has had social media accounts suspended or dropped. So when somebody works his way onto a libertarian-leaning forum and begins focusing the majority of his energy on attacks directed toward the libertarian way of thinking, I've got to ask, once again, why is he here? What is his agenda? Is he so lacking in self-awareness and insight that he is truly caught in the "trap" Harry Browne described? Or does he know full well what he is doing? For me, the instant "poll" thread, clearly intended to build a constituency aimed at shutting down the Politics forum, told me everything I needed to know.

[doodle]

We are living in a time where conservative and libertarian viewpoints are being silenced everywhere you look. Youtube videos addressing anything other than the mainstream political narrative are being systematically deleted

Seems like there is bipartisan support for amending section 230.

I think these media outlets are caught in a tough place being that this technology can be easily employed for just about any cause..positive or negative.

How would you feel about them silencing AlQaeda who might use their platform to recruit and inspire terrorist attacks? What about radical political parties calling for the armed insurrection...or spreading lies and misinformation?

A lot of these "rights" have to be reevaluated in light of technological developments I think. This is a sensitive topic, I understand that. The second amendment guarantees a right to bear arms, however it is curtailed. You can't just walk into a Walmart and buy a machine gun with unlimited rounds of ammo....there are background checks, waiting periods, limitations on the type of gun you may purchase. Also, many places limit how and where you can carry that weapon. You can't go strolling down main street like Rambo with a locked and loaded bazooka on your shoulder. I know many of you disagree with that. But it's an example of how rights have been conscribed or boxed in due to evolving technology and living circumstances. I think that process will eventually filter into the internet with changing legislation. Will be interested to see how it unfolds.

[dualstow]

I do not care about politics, especially in US. Its pretty impressive that out of 300M people you have those 2 candidates to choose from.

There is a whittling down process, Vil. Don't you have that in Bulgaria?
As they say- anyone who wants to run for office is, by definition, unfit to rule. Or something like that.

[doodle]

We are living in a time where conservative and libertarian viewpoints are being silenced everywhere you look. Youtube videos addressing anything other than the mainstream political narrative are being systematically deleted

Seems like there is bipartisan support for amending section 230.

I think these media outlets are caught in a tough place being that this technology can be easily employed for just about any cause..positive or negative.

How would you feel about them silencing AlQaeda who might use their platform to recruit and inspire terrorist attacks? What about radical political parties calling for the armed insurrection...or spreading lies and misinformation?

This part of your post would make a bit of sense if Facebook, Twitter and YouTube weren't intentionally pushing a left wing agenda and intentionally silencing any post that doesn't agree with their narrative. It's a far cry from a conservative viewpoint to a terrorist organization.

Regardless, they need to fix 230, because the current state of affairs is unacceptable to half the country.

Do you think it's that they are pushing a left wing agenda? I have trouble envisioning these tech billionaires as bleeding heart social justice warriors that want to overthrow the free market system.

Do you think if Biden posted something to the effect of the Republicans being linked to the development of COVID in order kill blacks and Hispanics that it wouldn't get flagged?

How do you think tech companies should deal with their platforms being used to mass distribute disinformation?

[SomeDude]

Do you think it's that they are pushing a left wing agenda? I have trouble envisioning these tech billionaires as bleeding heart social justice warriors that want to overthrow the free market system.

The tech billionaires hate free markets. It's a threat to their monopolies. It's doesn't even matter if they might be richer under a free market. They want power. Communism and left-wing ideology is designed to get people people to join the cause based on lies that it will make them better off. It won't. It will simply install rulers over them and everyone else. Rank and file communists (basically where all left-leaning arguments end up) are useful idiots for their masters who care NOTHING about communism or liberal policies except as a means to control and dominate everyone and everything they possibly can.

Libertarians get pissed off at the rank and file commies because they're contributing to our mutual destruction, but I am sure most of us don't view them as evil, just completely and utterly misguided. It's like dealing with children who never grew up and are still looking for mommy and daddy (insert government officials) to protect them from the big bad world (businessmen who just want to sell them products and services on a voluntary basis).

Explaining these concepts to a physical adult is completely useless except as entertainment. The important thing is to educate the kids and resist the adult commies.

*** - I am not calling anyone here an idiot (at least not in this post). Useful idiot is just a term for people supporting a cause where the end result will be the opposite of what they are going for, because they have bought into the rhetoric.

[SomeDude]

How would you feel about them silencing AlQaeda who might use their platform to recruit and inspire terrorist attacks? What about radical political parties calling for the armed insurrection...or spreading lies and misinformation?

Whatever happened to AlQaeda? The were only useful for a few wars I guess then they disbanded.

Seriously how funny would it be if AQ had a facebook meet-up group. "Let's all meet at the south dune at 1700 on Saturday" - ohhhh whoops there goes a predator drone strike!

I don't think it would be much of a problem if people who want to hurt others use Facebook to discuss it out in the open. It would probably help lol.

[SomeDude]

I call them as I see them. When you come to a libertarian-oriented forum such as this and complain that the libertarian viewpoint ought to be silenced......

It is not a coincidence that an investment forum based on Browne's philosophies would attract libertarian folks. People successful enough to have money and interested in managing it themselves probably trend this way also. That is, unless they are billionaire elite who seem almost exclusively on the other side of the coin.