CNN reports Trump's victory path - Shocking!

[Cortopassi]

Everyone is in a camp. Everyone in their tribe. No one is allowed to be impartial or moderate. You are either for Trump or kicked off the island.

Chris Wallace I actually watch on Sunday mornings because he is very impartial.

There was no other way he could have reacted that first night unless he was willing to let Trump run roughshod over the entire debate.

Which he did anyway.

It has been nice to not really hear from Trump for about three weeks, hasn’t it?

[vnatale]

And Fox News? Their business model? Everything anyone says bad about Orangeman must be trashed?

Same thing, different side.

Fox is run by dems and is about 60% anti trump, and in all things that matter

Is there a specific date or time range when this occurred? I'm sure this is news to most people.

Vinny

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/09/09/how-jam ... p-era.html

It's been some time now, but especially pronounced since rupert Murdoch's kids took over. Here's CNBC reporting how the people running FOX donated 1.2M to Biden's campaign. Also their election coverage team leader was a lifelong Dem Clinton/Biden supporter. Hence the ridiculous AZ call while Trump was crushing and Vegas odds were moving to -500 for him.

If you watched FOX on election night you'd see they were salivating at trying to call Biden the winner. It was so bad I had to turn on CNN to try to get some impartiality.

Did you see the first debate hosted by liberal worm Chris Wallace from FOX? Even the CNBC girl (or wherever she was from) was more fair to Trump.

FOX is probably hoping for Biden so they can tell their viewers how bad he is every nighy. I mean phucking Duh? Tell us something we don't know.

I was wondering how all of that fit into Fox's business model. But I guess you answerer that in your last paragraph.

I listen to Chris Wallace each Sunday on Fox News Sunday. I find him to be conservative but extremely fair. He goes hard after both sides and repeats the questions if they are answering the question.

Vinny

[SomeDude]

Tomfoolery that just reminds how little racism there is in America. First we elected a half white guy in barrack Hussain then an orange human. We haven't had a full white since W!

[vnatale]

It has been nice to not really hear from Trump for about three weeks, hasn’t it?

I rarely get emotional reading threads here, but I got a angry when I read this. Because I haven’t heard from Trump at all, ever, because I don’t watch the news or follow mainstream media. And I’m only tangentially aware he says things people from inflammatory to troll the left-wing and the troll the mainstream media.

Do you mean to tell me that for the last 4 years, Trump came to your home and started saying crazy things?

Or are you going out of your way to watch liberal media outlets take snippets of what he says out of context? Is Trump forcing himself into your life or are you inviting him in?

And for the last 4 weeks, has he stopped talking, or have the liberal media outlets stopped reporting on him?

The reason I got angry at your comment is because the democrats will destroy the foundation of America and it seems like 90% of the people who voted for Biden did so solely because Orangeman Bad because liberal media took snippets of what he said out of context and had newscasters made snide remarks about him for four years. A handful of times I saw a headline in the background, and looked into the original source of what Trump said and each of those times it was clearly taken out of context.

It’s my belief our country will be destroyed because the media has done such a fantastic job making Orangeman look bad that people know democrat policies are economically insane (printing trillions of more dollars) and physically dangerous (giving antifa free reign and defunding police) and yet these people voted for Biden solely to stop hearing from Trump. Because somehow unless we voted Trump out, our lives would be inundated with horrible things he says because as president he can insert himself in our lives on a daily basis. And we are powerless to stop it!!!

I’m really angry about this because with Trump out of office, he’s going to have far more free time to say crazy outlandish things, even likely to start his own TV network, and he will be creating more content. But if the liberal media chooses to stop reporting on him, then you have a reprieve from his craziness. Which, of course, they won’t, because they want ratings and the best way to get ratings is to report on things taken out of context in an inflammatory way.

And you choose to invite the liberal media into your life and thus choose to invite what Orangeman says into your life, in spite of the fact most Biden voters actually support Trumps policies, if he would just shut up, and these same voters have the power to make Orangeman shut up by changing the channel on their TV.

But, no, you choose to invite the liberal media into your life which brings in Orangeman craziness and because of that choice you made, now you have to vote for the worsen of the candidates with policies that will hurt you, and in spite of that, no personal responsibility is taken, and it’s Orangeman’s fault for being bad.

I think that this may not have been 100% directed at Cortopassi for making the statement you quoted? But also directed at ANYONE who voted for Trump?

You have written a lot above. However it seems to be that for all you wrote its basic thesis is: if you voted for Biden (and not for Trump) then it is solely because you've been totally duped by getting your information exclusively from that mainstream media which totally distorts him by quoting things out of context.

Am I at least in the right country in regards to what you are saying?

My general only exposure to the mainstream media is listening to the five Sunday news talk shows. But that is only a small part of the political information that I take in. The great majority is from C-Span.

In case you don't know about C-Span it will show events in their entirety with no commentary. No filters. They also have a three hour morning program every single day of the year. It is called Washington Journal and is on from 7 AM to 10 AM, Eastern time.

This program has impartial hosts who are forbidden from ever giving their opinions on anything. They have regular people calling it throughout the show and they try to keep a balance between the two predominant political parties among callers. They also have on the program all kinds of political guests, allowing someone like you or me can call in to ask questions of these guests. This program has on many big names on it, well known to all here and discussed by us here.

First thing I do every morning upon getting out of bed is put on Washington Journal. I'll oftentimes stay on C-Span after Washington Journal ends 10 AM.

When I did so yesterday at 10 AM they played this:

https://www.c-span.org/video/?478850-1/ ... -joe-biden

NOVEMBER 26, 2020

President Trump Thanksgiving Day Remarks

In Thanksgiving Day remarks, President Trump says the election was rigged and that it would be a mistake for the Electoral College to vote for Joe Biden. However, he says he would leave the White House but won’t say if he’ll attend the inauguration.

You stated: " I don’t watch the news or follow mainstream media."

Now is your chance to hear every single word Trump said in its entirety with no quotes taken out of context or any commentary. And, for you to make up your own mind. It's only 25 minutes long so I challenge you to listen to it and give us your opinion of what you hear.

When I listened to it when it came on yesterday at 10 AM I could not believe what I was listening to. I later yesterday commented about it here but received no response to it from anyone. I think I concluded with saying that if it had been a caller making the same comments which Trump had...then I'd have labeled that caller a "wacko".

Do you remember when Trump spoke at Mt. Rushmore several months ago? I listened to the entire thing three times. When I say entire, I mean entire. Not just when he spoke but all the pre-ceremonies, the people who spoke after him, and then the after ceremonies. How does your premise at all apply to me and my judgments of him? No quotes out of context. No mainstream media interpretations. ALL his words EXACTLY as they came out of his mouth.

I will bet that I've actually heard more of him than almost of his supporters here.

A Trump rally was an almost not miss event for me. Not because I believe almost anything he had to say but because he is a gifted entertainer. As far as politicians go he defines the phrase "sui generis".

You are no doubt a high talented and intelligent person who is also a skillful writer. But your writing loses power when it contains too many generalizations that just don't apply. They come across as some straw man argument that does not too well relate to reality but which, of course, then allows you to easily destroy and demolish. Too much like Trump, it comes across as entertaining but, in the end, it's not persuasive.

I am always open to be persuaded. Persuade me.

Vinny

[Cortopassi]

Sorry you're angry, Tom.

Man you guys are writing books as responses lately.

I have listened to Trump for over four years. I voted for him in 2016.

I am one of those who got sick of his manners. Sorry for that. That's how I am. I will give people many chances, trust me. He used them all up and then some.

So I voted for Biden. As apparently a lot of others did.

And yeah, you're right, I don't have to listen to him. But I like politics, and at minimum I watch Sunday shows like Vinny. Between that, and the internet, it is literally impossible to not have Trump in a news cycle in your face, regardless of the media you consume. I will enjoy four years of little twittering.

[SomeDude]

I am one of those who got sick of his manners. Sorry for that. That's how I am. I will give people many chances, trust me. He used them all up and then some.

So I voted for Biden. As apparently a lot of others did.

Wait, you based your vote on.......manners?

We've got to end this silly democracy experiment before we lose everything.

[Cortopassi]

I am one of those who got sick of his manners. Sorry for that. That's how I am. I will give people many chances, trust me. He used them all up and then some.

So I voted for Biden. As apparently a lot of others did.

Wait, you based your vote on.......manners?

We've got to end this silly democracy experiment before we lose everything.

Somedude, you haven't been on the forum that long. Yes, I plainly have admitted that policy wise, I am not at odds with everything Trump did. And I am perfectly fine with everyone thinking a vote for Biden was illogical given that.

That's just how I am. I am tired of having him and his manners as president.

Just a little change in style and he would possibly have gotten my vote and enough others for another four years.

The ends do not always justify the means.

And I don't think Biden is the end of America either, so please let's all try to keep that in context.

[pmward]

I am one of those who got sick of his manners. Sorry for that. That's how I am. I will give people many chances, trust me. He used them all up and then some.

So I voted for Biden. As apparently a lot of others did.

Wait, you based your vote on.......manners?

We've got to end this silly democracy experiment before we lose everything.

Somedude, you haven't been on the forum that long. Yes, I plainly have admitted that policy wise, I am not at odds with everything Trump did. And I am perfectly fine with everyone thinking a vote for Biden was illogical given that.

That's just how I am. I am tired of having him and his manners as president.

Just a little change in style and he would possibly have gotten my vote and enough others for another four years.

The ends do not always justify the means.

And I don't think Biden is the end of America either, so please let's all try to keep that in context.

Character matters in a leader. Period. Whenever a country becomes willing to look past the character flaws of their leaders bad things always happen. You must make sure the people in power have character. I totally agree with you Corto. I also agree Biden was the "lesser of the two evils". This last 4 years our country has been a circus show. It's been downright embarrassing to be an American for the last 4 years. I'm happy we have a moderate coming into office. If say Bernie had won the D primaries it would have been a more difficult decision. But Biden was clearly the "lesser evil" this year, it was a no brainer.

[vnatale]

I am one of those who got sick of his manners. Sorry for that. That's how I am. I will give people many chances, trust me. He used them all up and then some.

So I voted for Biden. As apparently a lot of others did.

Wait, you based your vote on.......manners?

We've got to end this silly democracy experiment before we lose everything.

Somedude, you haven't been on the forum that long. Yes, I plainly have admitted that policy wise, I am not at odds with everything Trump did. And I am perfectly fine with everyone thinking a vote for Biden was illogical given that.

That's just how I am. I am tired of having him and his manners as president.

Just a little change in style and he would possibly have gotten my vote and enough others for another four years.

The ends do not always justify the means.

And I don't think Biden is the end of America either, so please let's all try to keep that in context.

Character matters in a leader. Period. Whenever a country becomes willing to look past the character flaws of their leaders bad things always happen. You must make sure the people in power have character. I totally agree with you Corto. I also agree Biden was the "lesser of the two evils". This last 4 years our country has been a circus show. It's been downright embarrassing to be an American for the last 4 years. I'm happy we have a moderate coming into office. If say Bernie had won the D primaries it would have been a more difficult decision. But Biden was clearly the "lesser evil" this year, it was a no brainer.

Amplifying that.

Character matters.

Character matters for all people.

Character matters especially for our leaders.

Recently Mountaineer provided us a link to the 40 character virtues. I stated I reviewed them and believe that Trump possessed not ONE of them. I stand by that.

How does one attack the Democratic party for its supposed desire to destroy all American values yet at the same time support a president who possesses not one character virtue (out of 40!!!)?

Vinny

[sophie]

SomeDude, you're not the only one who has taken offense at Cortopassi's comments. I genuinely believe though, that in his own eyes he is being polite and honest, and doesn't realize how his blind allegiance to Biden and the Democratic Party comes across.

He is also a perfect example of probably the majority of Biden voters. They've been listening to the media's relentless attacks on Trump for the past 5 years. Left to his own devices, his vote might easily have gone the other way. I think the election outcome, even as it is currently presented, is an astonishing testament to the independent-mindedness of a a large chunk of the US population. If this were any other country, with generations of conformity built into the culture, it would have been a landslide Biden victory.

Cortopassi, I already know I can't counter the effect of 5 years of mainstream media brainwashing with a few posts, so I'll just leave you with this: be careful what you wish for. There are a lot of people who voted for Biden who are probably going to realize their mistake in a couple of years when the economy is in the crapper due to the extended national lockdown that will be imposed the moment he takes office, the low & middle class see persistent unemployment, increased taxes, and stagnant or reduced real wages due to the floods of illegal (sorry, "new") immigrants streaming in unchecked, manufacturing and service jobs paying above minimum wage are once again exported overseas, and we are in the middle of yet another poorly justified middle east war.

I'm rather proud of the two members of my immediate family who went through the same brainwashing and held similar opinions to Cortopassi, but still in the end voted for Trump because they realized the above implications of a Biden presidency.

[Cortopassi]

sophie, I respectfully disagree. We'll see what the next four years bring. And I know I can't change your mind.

Please don't call me brainwashed, at least from the left. I may have been from the right, from about 2011 to 2018. I will state again:

--I voted for Trump in 2016
--Up until ~2018 I was still able to given him the benefit of the doubt.

You guys also seem to be taking this much more personally than I am, like I am personally attacking your choice.

I generally bash Trump's style. Again, if I have offended you guys, sorry. You are able to vote for Trump, and I am able to vote for who I want as well, which this time was Biden.

If anything, I have been the one to turn the other cheek all the time on this forum to those who have turned my choice to vote for whom I want, for whatever reason I want, into a personal attack on my logic and sanity.

I will state what Vinny and pmward just did: Character Matters. It's on a banner as well on the grade school just down the street (Character Counts). The banner does not say to call everyone names and losers who disagrees with you.

[Tortoise]

I will state what Vinny and pmward just did: Character Matters. It's on a banner as well on the grade school just down the street (Character Counts). The banner does not say to call everyone names and losers who disagrees with you.

So Trump didn’t call anyone names prior to your voting for him in 2016? Seems to me like Trump has been Trump his whole life.

I think at one point you mentioned that you sort of held your nose when you voted for Trump in 2016 and hoped he might decide to change his crude manners and become more “presidential” after he took office in 2017.

People don’t suddenly change their characters after over 70 years of life just because they happen to start a new job. I suspect that deep down, you felt that you were voting for a guy with little character, so what you were really hoping would change would be the window dressing, not the man’s character.

But the window dressing didn’t change, so you became a never-Trumper.

Almost all politicians lack real character when you get down to it. So we tend to vote based on policy, window dressing, or both.

[Cortopassi]

If the dems ran anyone except Hillary, I would have voted democratic.

Yes, I was hoping for a pivot. And as I see from my late 80s father, changing your stripes as you are older is hard. My bad.

And yes, I knew enough that I was not voting for a saint. But again, it was Trump vs. Hillary. This time, with 4 years as president and Biden as the opponent, it was a no brainer to vote Biden.

[vnatale]

I will state what Vinny and pmward just did: Character Matters. It's on a banner as well on the grade school just down the street (Character Counts). The banner does not say to call everyone names and losers who disagrees with you.

So Trump didn’t call anyone names prior to your voting for him in 2016? Seems to me like Trump has been Trump his whole life.

I think at one point you mentioned that you sort of held your nose when you voted for Trump in 2016 and hoped he might decide to change his crude manners and become more “presidential” after he took office in 2017.

People don’t suddenly change their characters after over 70 years of life just because they happen to start a new job. I suspect that deep down, you felt that you were voting for a guy with little character, so what you were really hoping would change would be the window dressing, not the man’s character.

But the window dressing didn’t change, so you became a never-Trumper.

Almost all politicians lack real character when you get down to it. So we tend to vote based on policy, window dressing, or both.

However holding the position of the most powerful person in the universe is not just happening to start a new job.

The actual Republicans holding office all thought he would do the proverbial "growing into the job".

Almost all people thought he would stop tweeting once he became president.

In other words, a lot of people thought he would act "presidential" once he became president.

Instead, as you describe (with hindsight) he did not change one bit. When you voted for him is that what you expected?

Vinny

[Tortoise]

I didn’t vote in 2016.

To reiterate my main point, I’m just saying that when people say “character matters” in politics, they’re ignoring the basic reality that the vast majority of politicians — especially politicians at the very top of the hierarchy — don’t have exemplary characters. Some politicians are just better at hiding their bad characters than others are.

People who claim to vote based on character are deceiving themselves and are actually voting based on something far more superficial: Window dressing (sometimes called decorum).

[Mountaineer]

Classic style vs. substance discussion.

[SomeDude]

Didn't Biden say multiple times he'd like to punch Trump? Didn't he call people fat who gave him tough questions at town halls? The guy is probably rude as hell down to the core, as well as ridiculously corrupt, warmongering, completely positionless on anything and it appears, increasingly senile.

The difference was as Sophie pointed out, a large portion of the population is very susceptible to propaganda. The propaganda telling them oranangemanbad has not ceased for 5 years, since orangemanbad came down the elevator and said he didn't want Mexican criminals coming across the border.

Then they presented this crooked swamp creature as kindly old grandpa and people fell for it. Thankfully it was far less than 80M. Hopefully that fact and God will spare us from that puppet taking the throne.

[SomeDude]

My wife is a behavioral therapist. On election night we watched FOX (yuck). The photo they had for Biden next to his vote totals and what not had soft smiling eyes and a comforting smile, warm and inviting.

The photo they used for Trump was downright menacing and glaring. She pointed out how this is an obvious psychological trick to affect how the viewer perceives them. And she despises Trump personally because she thinks he's rude! I still got her to vote for everyone's best interest based on substance.

[vnatale]

I didn’t vote in 2016.

To reiterate my main point, I’m just saying that when people say “character matters” in politics, they’re ignoring the basic reality that the vast majority of politicians — especially politicians at the very top of the hierarchy — don’t have exemplary characters. Some politicians are just better at hiding their bad characters than others are.

People who claim to vote based on character are deceiving themselves and are actually voting based on something far more superficial: Window dressing (sometimes called decorum).

Jimmy Carter ceased being president 40 years ago. In the 40 years since he has unceasingly demonstrated the many of the 40 character virtues he possesses. The same virtues he displayed while president.

There are many self proclaimed Christians here.

I'd assume that the ideal president for a Christian would be one who is a Christian with the qualifications and competence to be president.

Absent also being a Christian I'd assume that the next choice would be someone with the qualifications and competence to be a president and while not a proclaimed Christian someone who behaves like a Christian, i.e., possesses and displays many of the 40 character virtues.

Instead we have the paradox of self-proclaimed Evangelical Christians throwing their full support behind an avowed non-Christian who has not one of the 40 character virtues.

It's a clear "ends justify the means" choice and it's quite similar to how our country uses rendition by subjecting people to torture not allowed by our country but whisking them away to other countries that will do it. We don't get our hands dirty because another country has done it. Christians supporting Trump is the same.

Vinny

[vnatale]

Didn't Biden say multiple times he'd like to punch Trump? Didn't he call people fat who gave him tough questions at town halls? The guy is probably rude as hell down to the core, as well as ridiculously corrupt, warmongering, completely positionless on anything and it appears, increasingly senile.

The difference was as Sophie pointed out, a large portion of the population is very susceptible to propaganda. The propaganda telling them oranangemanbad has not ceased for 5 years, since orangemanbad came down the elevator and said he didn't want Mexican criminals coming across the border.

Then they presented this crooked swamp creature as kindly old grandpa and people fell for it. Thankfully it was far less than 80M. Hopefully that fact and God will spare us from that puppet taking the throne.

I'm not sure you were old enough to watch the Clarence Thomas Supreme Court hearings in 1991?

Biden was the head of the judiciary committee for those hearings. During those hearings he clearly revealed to me that he was a coward, had a poor attitude toward women, and was someone of low integrity. I've kept a close watch on him in the intervening nearly 30 years and he's never done anything to change my evaluation of him.

All you say in your first paragraph is either actually true or quite possibly true.

That is why that for first time since I started voting in 1972 I did NOT vote for the Democratic presidential candidate.

Vinny

[glennds]

My wife is a behavioral therapist. On election night we watched FOX (yuck). The photo they had for Biden next to his vote totals and what not had soft smiling eyes and a comforting smile, warm and inviting.

The photo they used for Trump was downright menacing and glaring. She pointed out how this is an obvious psychological trick to affect how the viewer perceives them. And she despises Trump personally because she thinks he's rude! I still got her to vote for everyone's best interest based on substance.

That's an interesting observation, thanks.
You pointed it out in the context of how the media is presenting images. But I think the same concept applies to how politicians package themselves, sometimes very strategically. Go over to Twitter and look at the user account images for both Biden and Trump. In Trump's image he has the scowl, or menacing tough guy look, if that's what you might call it. Biden's is upward looking and smiling, very much like what you described that you saw on Fox. Except here we're talking about the images they each chose for themselves for their Twitter accounts.

I'd love to hear your wife's thoughts on a lot of power body language that Trump in particular uses. His posture when sitting. Putting his hands together in a downward V when sitting. The perma scowl. He smiles very rarely. All of these are power moves designed to convey strength.
FYI, I'm not saying they're bad, so if you're a Trump fan, don't read this as criticism. But I am saying it's not accidental.

[SomeDude]

FYI, I'm not saying they're bad, so if you're a Trump fan, don't read this as criticism. But I am saying it's not accidental.

Not a fan except on a personal level. I like his demeanor and temperament. The patience he shows to the nasty fake news reporters is like the bhudda.

[vnatale]

My wife is a behavioral therapist. On election night we watched FOX (yuck). The photo they had for Biden next to his vote totals and what not had soft smiling eyes and a comforting smile, warm and inviting.

The photo they used for Trump was downright menacing and glaring. She pointed out how this is an obvious psychological trick to affect how the viewer perceives them. And she despises Trump personally because she thinks he's rude! I still got her to vote for everyone's best interest based on substance.

Reminds me of the Zimmerman Trayvon Martin case.

They photoshopped his image to make him look white, and use a 5 year old photo of Trayvon as a 12 year old boy for the "victim" photo.

The fact that the prosecutors in this case were allowed to do what they did is abhorrent. And President Obama got on TV and said "if he had a son, he would look like Trayvon"

Meanwhile all of the facts showed Trayvon assaulted Zimmerman and nearly beat him to death before Zimmerman fired a single round to stop him. But that didn't stop the media, nor the political establishment.



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I did read an entire book on the incident and the aftermath. After reading it I never again bought into the Trayvon Martin martyrdom story...

Vinny

[sophie]

Didn't Biden say multiple times he'd like to punch Trump? Didn't he call people fat who gave him tough questions at town halls? The guy is probably rude as hell down to the core, as well as ridiculously corrupt, warmongering, completely positionless on anything and it appears, increasingly senile.

Don't forget the "lying, dog-faced pony soldier" line. That was a good one. We ought to put it on a T-shirt with "Biden/Harris" underneath. Now THAT'S character!! Oh and there's also the allegations of past, shall we say, indiscretions.

If that had been Trump, you can only imagine what CNN would have made of it. With Biden it was politely laughed off or ignored. So what was that again about character?

Sorry guys....it's all about "susceptibility to brainwashing" as SomeDude so aptly put it. As a scientist whose career is all about critical thinking, I happen to have an extremely well honed B-S detector. You really ought to get yourselves one of these. Too bad you can't buy them on Amazon.

[SomeDude]

Kamala built her career by sleeping with a married man.....character!