Why Trump will be inaugurated in January

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Why Trump will be inaugurated in January

Post by technovelist » Fri Nov 20, 2020 7:03 am

It's the most blatant case of election fraud in US history, and they aren't going to get away with it:
https://youtu.be/ChPZ8749oXo
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Re: Why Trump will be inaugurated in January

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Re: Why Trump will be inaugurated in January

Post by Cortopassi » Fri Nov 20, 2020 8:48 am

1.5 hours of Rudy and friends?! I think not.

Good luck with this. I thought maybe your time off would have mellowed your position somewhat.
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Re: Why Trump will be inaugurated in January

Post by pmward » Fri Nov 20, 2020 10:27 am

Proof or GTFO. Seriously. Court cases have gotten nowhere for lack of evidence. Neither Rudy nor any of Trumps lawyers have used the word "fraud" once in court. The only time they use the word "fraud" is outside of a legal setting, like social media, press conferences, etc where they cannot be prosecuted for perjury... Until there is real actual proof submitted to the courts, these claims can all be assumed to be baseless. Trumps strategy to give up the court battles and instead try to convince local legislatures to give him the electors even though he lost the election is in itself a desperate admission of defeat. He cannot win the legal battle, so he instead tries to subvert and manipulate the state governments to go against the will of their constituents. It's a desperate authoritarians last ditch and highly unlikely effort for a coup.
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Re: Why Trump will be inaugurated in January

Post by vnatale » Fri Nov 20, 2020 10:51 am

Totally stupid to believe to in any election fraud.

It requires one to believe that ALL the election fraud was dedicated towards Trump losing. Yet those same fraudsters did NOTHING at all to stop Republicans winning positions in the House, the Senate, or all the state legislatures.

If you really believe that Trump lost this election due to election fraud then you need to take a deep look in the mirror and do a self-assessment of your grasp of basic logic and reality!

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Re: Why Trump will be inaugurated in January

Post by l82start » Fri Nov 20, 2020 11:54 am

vnatale wrote:
Fri Nov 20, 2020 10:51 am
Totally stupid to believe to in any election fraud.

It requires one to believe that ALL the election fraud was dedicated towards Trump losing. Yet those same fraudsters did NOTHING at all to stop Republicans winning positions in the House, the Senate, or all the state legislatures.

If you really believe that Trump lost this election due to election fraud then you need to take a deep look in the mirror and do a self-assessment of your grasp of basic logic and reality!

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Re: Why Trump will be inaugurated in January

Post by GT » Fri Nov 20, 2020 12:12 pm

vnatale wrote:
Fri Nov 20, 2020 10:51 am
Totally stupid to believe to in any election fraud.

It requires one to believe that ALL the election fraud was dedicated towards Trump losing. Yet those same fraudsters did NOTHING at all to stop Republicans winning positions in the House, the Senate, or all the state legislatures.

If you really believe that Trump lost this election due to election fraud then you need to take a deep look in the mirror and do a self-assessment of your grasp of basic logic and reality!

Vinny
wow - I hadn't thought of it like that -

How did "Republicans winning positions in the House, the Senate, or all the state legislatures" not translate to Republican votes for Trump?

Republicans voted for Biden or left the President section blank as a nonvote for Trump?

I do want proof of the fraud - where is the smoking gun - or the IT guy with the data files to show the system was tampered with...
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Re: Why Trump will be inaugurated in January

Post by glennds » Fri Nov 20, 2020 1:54 pm

pmward wrote:
Fri Nov 20, 2020 10:27 am
Proof or GTFO. Seriously. Court cases have gotten nowhere for lack of evidence. Neither Rudy nor any of Trumps lawyers have used the word "fraud" once in court. The only time they use the word "fraud" is outside of a legal setting, like social media, press conferences, etc where they cannot be prosecuted for perjury... Until there is real actual proof submitted to the courts, these claims can all be assumed to be baseless.
I had not thought of it like that but you're right. Fraud is a defined legal term. In order to allege it in in a court of law you must provide some level of merit to the allegation. It can't just be "aspirational" or an alternative fact. Rule 11 of Civil Rules of Procedure comes to mind.

But you can say whatever you want to the public and the media because there are no rules.

Add into the mix the inexplicable phenomenon where most of Trump's base will devoutly believe anything he says in the total absence of evidence, and the complete suspension of critical thinking.
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Re: Why Trump will be inaugurated in January

Post by pmward » Fri Nov 20, 2020 1:59 pm

GT wrote:
Fri Nov 20, 2020 12:12 pm
vnatale wrote:
Fri Nov 20, 2020 10:51 am
Totally stupid to believe to in any election fraud.

It requires one to believe that ALL the election fraud was dedicated towards Trump losing. Yet those same fraudsters did NOTHING at all to stop Republicans winning positions in the House, the Senate, or all the state legislatures.

If you really believe that Trump lost this election due to election fraud then you need to take a deep look in the mirror and do a self-assessment of your grasp of basic logic and reality!

Vinny
wow - I hadn't thought of it like that -

How did "Republicans winning positions in the House, the Senate, or all the state legislatures" not translate to Republican votes for Trump?

Republicans voted for Biden or left the President section blank as a nonvote for Trump?

I do want proof of the fraud - where is the smoking gun - or the IT guy with the data files to show the system was tampered with...
Flip side, why would the democrats "fraud" Trump out, but not "fraud" themselves into the house and senate. And why are the House and Senate races also not facing the same "fraud" accusations... even though they were on the very same ballots.

Common sense would say a lot of people wanted the polarizing Trump out of office, but wanted congress split to block some of Biden's policies.
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Re: Why Trump will be inaugurated in January

Post by pmward » Fri Nov 20, 2020 2:02 pm

glennds wrote:
Fri Nov 20, 2020 1:54 pm
pmward wrote:
Fri Nov 20, 2020 10:27 am
Proof or GTFO. Seriously. Court cases have gotten nowhere for lack of evidence. Neither Rudy nor any of Trumps lawyers have used the word "fraud" once in court. The only time they use the word "fraud" is outside of a legal setting, like social media, press conferences, etc where they cannot be prosecuted for perjury... Until there is real actual proof submitted to the courts, these claims can all be assumed to be baseless.
I had not thought of it like that but you're right. Fraud is a defined legal term. In order to allege it in in a court of law you must provide some level of merit to the allegation. It can't just be "aspirational" or an alternative fact. Rule 11 of Civil Rules of Procedure comes to mind.

But you can say whatever you want to the public and the media because there are no rules.

And into the mix the inexplicable phenomenon where most of Trump's base will devoutly believe anything he says in the total absence of evidence, and the complete suspension of critical thinking.
Yes. This is the thing that most people don't think of. If there were "real proof" submitted and accepted as testimony in a court of law I would be saying something completely different. But not only have they not provided any proof, they also have not filed ANY fraud suits in court. They all have been suits about small procedural violations like "these 50 votes should be disqualified because they were accepted 10 minutes after the cutoff time", none of which are big enough to actually change anything, and most have been rejected by the courts. There is nothing about "fraud" in the courts.
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Re: Why Trump will be inaugurated in January

Post by glennds » Fri Nov 20, 2020 2:17 pm

pmward wrote:
Fri Nov 20, 2020 1:59 pm
GT wrote:
Fri Nov 20, 2020 12:12 pm
vnatale wrote:
Fri Nov 20, 2020 10:51 am
Totally stupid to believe to in any election fraud.

It requires one to believe that ALL the election fraud was dedicated towards Trump losing. Yet those same fraudsters did NOTHING at all to stop Republicans winning positions in the House, the Senate, or all the state legislatures.

If you really believe that Trump lost this election due to election fraud then you need to take a deep look in the mirror and do a self-assessment of your grasp of basic logic and reality!

Vinny
wow - I hadn't thought of it like that -

How did "Republicans winning positions in the House, the Senate, or all the state legislatures" not translate to Republican votes for Trump?

Republicans voted for Biden or left the President section blank as a nonvote for Trump?

I do want proof of the fraud - where is the smoking gun - or the IT guy with the data files to show the system was tampered with...
Flip side, why would the democrats "fraud" Trump out, but not "fraud" themselves into the house and senate. And why are the House and Senate races also not facing the same "fraud" accusations... even though they were on the very same ballots.

Common sense would say a lot of people wanted the polarizing Trump out of office, but wanted congress split to block some of Biden's policies.
Maybe the argument is not that the whole ballot is fraudulent. Just the one race where the voter chose Biden over Trump. The rest of the ballot is fine.
In other words what we're dealing with here is partially fraudulent ballots. To fix it what we need to do is surgically cut out the fraud like cancer, and leave the rest intact although it's possible some of the downballot Democrat votes might have been a bit of fraud too.

Or alternatively, maybe the Democrats are so good, what they did was fraud out Trump, but sacrifice the Senate and a bunch of House seats as a means of covering their tracks. That's Ocean's Eleven level fraud.
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Re: Why Trump will be inaugurated in January

Post by pmward » Fri Nov 20, 2020 2:24 pm

glennds wrote:
Fri Nov 20, 2020 2:17 pm
pmward wrote:
Fri Nov 20, 2020 1:59 pm
GT wrote:
Fri Nov 20, 2020 12:12 pm
vnatale wrote:
Fri Nov 20, 2020 10:51 am
Totally stupid to believe to in any election fraud.

It requires one to believe that ALL the election fraud was dedicated towards Trump losing. Yet those same fraudsters did NOTHING at all to stop Republicans winning positions in the House, the Senate, or all the state legislatures.

If you really believe that Trump lost this election due to election fraud then you need to take a deep look in the mirror and do a self-assessment of your grasp of basic logic and reality!

Vinny
wow - I hadn't thought of it like that -

How did "Republicans winning positions in the House, the Senate, or all the state legislatures" not translate to Republican votes for Trump?

Republicans voted for Biden or left the President section blank as a nonvote for Trump?

I do want proof of the fraud - where is the smoking gun - or the IT guy with the data files to show the system was tampered with...
Flip side, why would the democrats "fraud" Trump out, but not "fraud" themselves into the house and senate. And why are the House and Senate races also not facing the same "fraud" accusations... even though they were on the very same ballots.

Common sense would say a lot of people wanted the polarizing Trump out of office, but wanted congress split to block some of Biden's policies.
Maybe the argument is not that the whole ballot is fraudulent. Just the one race where the voter chose Biden over Trump. The rest of the ballot is fine.
In other words what we're dealing with here is partially fraudulent ballots. To fix it what we need to do is surgically cut out the fraud like cancer, and leave the rest intact although it's possible some of the downballot Democrat votes might have been a bit of fraud too.

Or alternatively, maybe the Democrats are so good, what they did was fraud out Trump, but sacrifice the Senate and a bunch of House seats as a means of covering their tracks. That's Ocean's Eleven level fraud.
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