Some 2020 General Election Polls

[Cortopassi]

Sign printers are FAST. And yeah, let's keep on protesting, even though we have no evidence!

About 50 demonstrators gathered in front of City Hall, hoisting Trump signs and chanting “Stop the Steal.” Several in the crowd were openly carrying rifles and handguns.

Dale Williams, 70, a retired real estate broker, said he showed up to voice opposition to what he described as a Democratic attempt to steal the election, echoing claims the president has made, without citing evidence. “I absolutely believe Donald Trump won Arizona and won the country,” said Mr. Williams, who was carrying a concealed handgun that he showed to a reporter. “We cannot let Democrats get away with fraud.”

This, it seems will be the mantra for the next four years. The democrats stole the election.

[vnatale]

Really, why just Trump, and why with such a razor thin margin? Wouldn't you want to cheat enough to make it really difficult for Trump to have any chance? Wouldn't you have wanted to cheat to the extent that matching the poll numbers was the goal?

Seems simple and obvious to me. If you were going to submit fraudulent ballots, then submitting 100k fraudulent ballots is both logistically easier and gives you less chance of getting caught than submitting the 1 million fraudulent ballots required to show the estimated 10% lead.

First, to submit 1 million fraudulent ballots, the total vote count would be far more skewed than with only 100k.

Second, a random audit of ballots would be 10x more likely to pull a fraudulent ballot at random from the total pool that comes back as such if you dropped 1 million in versus 100k.

My bias is that I want Trump to win, and I’m willing to stick to the hope that there is some merit to the fraud ballot theory. I’m not claiming there is facts or evidence, because I have no way of personally knowing.

It would be no different than a grieving parent who is watching their child die of terminal cancer and the chaplain offers to pray for them.

There might be some truth to the fraud ballots, and there probably is some truth to it. But I have no way of knowing and it’s too early for any news source to know for sure.

What I do know is liberals HAAAATTTTTEEEE Orangeman and if ever there was a time for people to challenge their ethics and cheat an election, this would be it.

My mathematical hypothesis is:

Yes, it’s totally possible for people to cheat an election, it happens around the world and the US is not immune.

Yes, it’s illegal and unethical to cheat an election.

People skew their ethics and are willing to do illegal things in times of desperation.

Orangeman bad. Orangeman evil. Orangeman worse than Hitler.

People would be willing to cheat an election to get rid of the second coming of Hitler.

So... yeah, I totally see it within the realm of possibility that there’s fraud going on.

I’d say there’s 100% certainty some level of fraud is happening. And happens every election.

Oh, you live in California but bought a second home in AZ and you wanted your liberal vote to matter so you registered to vote in Arizona? Well that’s cheating. If 2 people did it, no big deal. But a few thousand people and you stole an entire election. Maybe even a few hundred people, all working separately, not knowing what the other did.

Oh you live in NYC but moved to Florida for covid times in an air bnb? Screw it and make your vote count, register to vote in FL. Steal an election.

I remain unconvinced from anything you wrote that there is some concerted effort from some unnamed group of people to steal the election.

If there were they'd be stupid to ever let it ever be this close.

I treat it the same way as when I friend adamantly told me that the 1986 World Series was fixed. Does anyone here believe that?

Vinny

Okay, so if there was an effort to commit fraud, it would make more sense to forge 50 million fake ballots so that Biden wins 70 to 30? That would be a smarter method to commit fraud?

Of course not.

But you are making my point that it is extremely difficult to commit fraud in such a way that you both win the election and are not caught. You do it in a too obvious way and your risk of getting caught goes way up. You do it too subtly and you risk not being successful.

In this case some group is working together to manipulate the votes in 50 states, winning some and losing some to make it look realistic? Or, there are just some doing whatever they can do to just win their state?

Which is it?

It's all just too hypothetical, too conjectural, too difficult for me to believe.

For the record, I do believe that Lyndon Johnson did steal the 1948 election to win his senate race. But that was just one senate race, not a national vote.

I do believe that Kennedy stole votes in Chicago in 1960 to win Illinois and the presidency.

But I'm trying to think of the last election in the last 60 years that I believe was stolen and none come to mind. You?

Finally, I'll throw this in.

Republicans / conservatives are always big on "personal responsibility" and against "victimology".

Yet time and time again I see Republican / conservatives (with Trump being a big-time PRIME example) taking on ZERO responsibility and acting like big-time victims (e.g., "I lost this election because it was stolen.").

IS related to all the Republican politicians I've witnessed who for decades get their votes from the professed anti-abortion or anti-rights for gay people positions they take but then when either of those cases affect someone in their personal families, they now see things differently because their views have now "evolved".

All fit under the rubric of "lack of integrity".

Vinny

Vinny

[doodle]

It's so ironic that one of the most documented liars EVER is accusing everyone else of dishonesty! Lol

Anyways, this election isn't even going to be close. Biden will win popular by 5 million or more and will end up with well over 300 electoral votes. The referendum on Trump is clear...orangeman go home

[Cortopassi]

Republicans / conservatives are always big on "personal responsibility" and against "victimology".

Yet time and time again I see Republican / conservatives (with Trump being a big-time PRIME example) taking on ZERO responsibility and acting like big-time victims (e.g., "I lost this election because it was stolen.").

IS related to all the Republican politicians I've witnessed who for decades get their votes from the professed anti-abortion or anti-rights for gay people positions they take but then when either of those cases affect someone in their personal families, they now see things differently because their views have now "evolved".

All fit under the rubric of "lack of integrity".

STOP. Too much truth!

Assuming Trump loses:

God, it would be so refreshing to hear him say, we gave it our best and lost at some point. Won't ever happen. Instead he will go down in flames and take as much with him as he can.

[doodle]

Yet time and time again I see Republican / conservatives (with Trump being a big-time PRIME example) taking on ZERO responsibility and acting like big-time victims (e.g., "I lost this election because it was stolen.").

Trump is a big whiny bitch. Is that even in question? Wahhhh they not treating me fairly. They treating me very badly. They lying...they cheating

But when confronted with other people's issues its "Fu** your feelings!"

[vnatale]

It's so ironic that one of the most documented liars EVER is accusing everyone else of dishonesty! Lol

Anyways, this election isn't even going to be close. Biden will win popular by 5 million or more and will end up with well over 300 electoral votes. The referendum on Trump is clear...orangeman go home

Also fits in with classic bully behavior. As soon as you give the bully the tiniest bit back the bully cries, "No fair!"

Vinny

[Mountaineer]

We should settle elections with no holds barred cage matches. The institutions of democracy aren't to be trusted. Last man standing gets to be god king but must face yearly challenger.

Legislation will be settled in same fashion

I like the old school traditions. I want my funeral to be my corpse on a small raft in a lake that's set on fire by a flaming arrow from the coast. Burials are for pussies.

Damn, Tom. I've been telling that to anyone who asks for 20 years. Except, instead of a raft, I want a Viking long boat. And a piper on shore playing Amazing Grace.

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you guys are weird.... LOL I have been pushing my friends and family for the environmentally questionable and illegal viking funeral for years as well...
push me out light me up and run from the law.... good send off...

Aren’t you guys concerned about carbon emissions? I sense you are closet conservatives but don’t quite realize it yet. . What the frack?

[doodle]

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[doodle]

Why all this talk of burials? Are you trumpsters planning on some massive heaven's gate type farewell?

[vnatale]

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Except for the obscene amounts that get spent on coffins and the related energy used to create them.

Vinny

[Mark Leavy]

you guys are weird.... LOL I have been pushing my friends and family for the environmentally questionable and illegal viking funeral for years as well...
push me out light me up and run from the law.... good send off...

When I told my ex what I wanted, she (being an excellent actor) didn’t flinch a bit and very smoothly segued to “OK, set up the funds for the longboat purchase in a trust in my name“ and I’ll make sure all the details are taken care of.

I haven't had any takers yet... but who knows.. a funeral is for the living so maybe some of my daring friends... the fact that it would be illegal is a challenge, i am just going to assume that they are all smart enough to keep the plan to themselves to insure they can pull it off..

[Mark Leavy]

you guys are weird.... LOL I have been pushing my friends and family for the environmentally questionable and illegal viking funeral for years as well...
push me out light me up and run from the law.... good send off...

When I told my ex what I wanted, she (being an excellent actor) didn’t flinch a bit and very smoothly segued to “OK, set up the funds for the longboat purchase in a trust in my name“ and I’ll make sure all the details are taken care of.

I haven't had any takers yet... but who knows.. a funeral is for the living so maybe some of my daring friends... the fact that it would be illegal is a challenge, i am just going to assume that they are all smart enough to keep the plan to themselves to insure they can pull it off..

Maybe I should’ve clarified. There is no doubt at all that my girls plan was just to pocket the money. And she knew full well that I knew that. It was just a bit of humor between the two of us.

[vnatale]

you guys are weird.... LOL I have been pushing my friends and family for the environmentally questionable and illegal viking funeral for years as well...
push me out light me up and run from the law.... good send off...

When I told my ex what I wanted, she (being an excellent actor) didn’t flinch a bit and very smoothly segued to “OK, set up the funds for the longboat purchase in a trust in my name“ and I’ll make sure all the details are taken care of.

I haven't had any takers yet... but who knows.. a funeral is for the living so maybe some of my daring friends... the fact that it would be illegal is a challenge, i am just going to assume that they are all smart enough to keep the plan to themselves to insure they can pull it off..

Maybe I should’ve clarified. There is no doubt at all that my girls plan was just to pocket the money. And she knew full well that I knew that. It was just a bit of humor between the two of us.

smart girl...

That is how I was taking it without the further clarification!

[vnatale]

This article author is on C-Span NOW!!!

Vinny


https://reason.com/2020/11/04/media-tru ... 020-biden/

MEDIA CRITICISM

The Media Had 4 Years to Figure Out Trump Voters. They Blew It.

As independent thinkers exit mainstream institutions, groupthink and blind spots are likely to get worse.

This means, of course, that the mainstream media narrative about the "shy," reluctant, or otherwise undercounted Trump voter—namely, that he does not exist—was completely, utterly, bafflingly wrong: Once again, Trump is more popular than the media thought was possible.

Perhaps more importantly, the media continues to be wrong about why Trump is popular, and about which people like him. Unable to admit that a Democratic Party held hostage by liberal arts graduates who write their preferred pronouns on their name tags might be out of touch with the working class voters who traditionally vote blue, many cable news talking heads settled on any number of alternative explanations: from Russian interference to lingering, perhaps resurgent, racism throughout the U.S. (CNN's Van Jones called it a "whitelash" in 2016.)

[vnatale]

This article author is on C-Span NOW!!!

Vinny


https://reason.com/2020/11/04/media-tru ... 020-biden/

MEDIA CRITICISM

The Media Had 4 Years to Figure Out Trump Voters. They Blew It.

As independent thinkers exit mainstream institutions, groupthink and blind spots are likely to get worse.

This means, of course, that the mainstream media narrative about the "shy," reluctant, or otherwise undercounted Trump voter—namely, that he does not exist—was completely, utterly, bafflingly wrong: Once again, Trump is more popular than the media thought was possible.

Perhaps more importantly, the media continues to be wrong about why Trump is popular, and about which people like him. Unable to admit that a Democratic Party held hostage by liberal arts graduates who write their preferred pronouns on their name tags might be out of touch with the working class voters who traditionally vote blue, many cable news talking heads settled on any number of alternative explanations: from Russian interference to lingering, perhaps resurgent, racism throughout the U.S. (CNN's Van Jones called it a "whitelash" in 2016.)

I discovered the above article after hearing a repeat of the following on C-Span (originally shown earlier this morning):

https://www.c-span.org/video/?477756-3/ ... a-coverage

NOVEMBER 7, 2020 | PART OF WASHINGTON JOURNAL 11/07/2020

Washington Journal

Robby Soave on Campaign 2020 Media Coverage

Reason magazine senior editor Robby Soave discussed his recent piece criticizing media coverage of the Trump campaign and Trump supporters during the campaign.



I think that I just heard him self proclaim himself as a libertarian.

Prior to seeing him now I don't believe I'd ever known of Robby Soave. Never read him or heard him.

Now after having listened to him I am thoroughly impressed. An obvious highly intelligent person but, more importantly to me, an extremely fair person.

I just bought his book:

Panic Attack: Young Radicals in the Age of Trump

https://www.amazon.com/Panic-Attack-You ... l_huc_item

Here is a subsequent article in wrote in Reason after the above one:

https://reason.com/2020/11/06/socialism ... buke-left/

ELECTION 2020

The 2020 Election Results Look Like a Massive Rebuke of Socialism

A Biden presidency and a GOP Senate could keep the left out of power for years.

ROBBY SOAVE | 11.6.2020 1:50 PM


Vinny