The Left is Eating Itself Pt. II

[Mountaineer]

Wow! Many people call me Mr. Memory because of MY memory but with this feat on your part I may have to move aside!

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Xan is the MAN!


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I was also impressed with the efficiency. Xan didn't have to type a single new word to point this out. That's why he's running things around here, I guess.

[Mountaineer]

Wow! Many people call me Mr. Memory because of MY memory but with this feat on your part I may have to move aside!

I was also impressed with the efficiency. Xan didn't have to type a single new word to point this out. That's why he's running things around here, I guess.

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Xan is the MAN!


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[dualstow]

Indeed!

[boglerdude]

https://old.reddit.com/r/news/comments/ ... e_at_port/

Reddit in shambles.

Is illegal immigration actually up over the last 10 years? Why? And why didnt they do this bus trick years ago

[flyingpylon]

https://old.reddit.com/r/news/comments/ ... e_at_port/

Reddit in shambles.

Is illegal immigration actually up over the last 10 years? Why? And why didnt they do this bus trick years ago

Everyone should visit Reddit occasionally not just to see what people think, but how they think.

[flyingpylon]

No way to read all the comments at Reddit and still have a life. What is the preferred sort method? Best? Top? Or something else?

I don't really have a good answer. I usually scroll through looking for initial responses to the topic (posts that appear on the far left). I'll read some of the threaded comments but things deteriorate very quickly on Reddit so I won't bother to go too deep. Since I have zero intention of participating I don't get too hung up on comprehension.

[Kbg]

The bus thing is truly brilliant politics. My hat's off to whoever thought of it.

Can anyone point to something that indicates the scale of it? Was it a one trick/trip pony with lots of media coverage, daily buses to liberal cities or something in between? (e.g. a media show or are they actually doing it)

[boglerdude]

> What is the preferred sort method?

Best, then check controversial. The large boards are echo chambers/safe spaces where they cherry-pic stupid things conservatives do, and chimp out. The Right does the same on a smaller scale, I couldnt get through "What is a woman" because Walsh cherry-pics crazy leftoids.

A few of my bookmarks
https://old.reddit.com/r/LockdownSkepti ... top&t=week
https://old.reddit.com/r/redscarepod/to ... top&t=week
https://old.reddit.com/r/CoronavirusCir ... top&t=week
https://old.reddit.com/r/ConservativeMe ... top&t=week
https://old.reddit.com/r/libertarianmem ... top&t=week
https://old.reddit.com/r/finance/top/?sort=top&t=week

I need a dark skin to read any website https://old.reddit.com/r/Enhancement/co ... ight_mode/

[yankees60]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 43359.html

Whole Foods CEO says ‘socialists are taking over’ schools and gun control debate

The grocery store chain’s CEO claims leftists are taking over schools and corporations

[dualstow]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 43359.html

Whole Foods CEO says ‘socialists are taking over’ schools and gun control debate

The grocery store chain’s CEO claims leftists are taking over schools and corporations

You know it's bad when a leftist is making this complaint. I guess he should have been more careful about what he wished for.

It is often those on the left who recognize that the Left is eating itself.
And, if you can trust the wiki page, Mackey seems like a great guy.

[doodle]

John Mackey has never been a 'leftist'

Another head scratcher for me....why are natural and organic grocers and health food stores generally associated with left wing? Wouldn't conservative food practices look more organically Amish than Monsanto and syngenta?

[Mountaineer]

John Mackey has never been a 'leftist'

Another head scratcher for me....why are natural and organic grocers and health food stores generally associated with left wing? Wouldn't conservative food practices look more organically Amish than Monsanto and syngenta?

Perhaps the left wing people are more willing to eat produce with insects, bird droppings, fungi, and assorted weed material. Just kidding - sort of! I worked for a large agricultural company that made herbicides, fungicides and insecticides. Extensive tests showed the vegtables and such produced using pesticides was higher quality and safer than that labeled natural or organic. But that was a few decades ago, perhaps things have changed since then. YMMV.

[Jack Jones]

Perhaps the left wing people are more willing to eat produce with insects, bird droppings, fungi, and assorted weed material. Just kidding - sort of! I worked for a large agricultural company that made herbicides, fungicides and insecticides. Extensive tests showed the vegtables and such produced using pesticides was higher quality and safer than that labeled natural or organic. But that was a few decades ago, perhaps things have changed since then. YMMV.

Yeah, the devil is in the details. Consider Bacillus Thuringiensis. It is a pesticide, but it's a living organism, so it's natural, organic and safe to consume.

[dualstow]

John Mackey has never been a 'leftist'

Another head scratcher for me....why are natural and organic grocers and health food stores generally associated with left wing? Wouldn't conservative food practices look more organically Amish than Monsanto and syngenta?

Right wing is more pro-business and anti-regulation? Just a guess; I don’t know the answer.

[glennds]

Perhaps the left wing people are more willing to eat produce with insects, bird droppings, fungi, and assorted weed material. Just kidding - sort of! I worked for a large agricultural company that made herbicides, fungicides and insecticides. Extensive tests showed the vegtables and such produced using pesticides was higher quality and safer than that labeled natural or organic. But that was a few decades ago, perhaps things have changed since then. YMMV.

Yeah, the devil is in the details. Consider Bacillus Thuringiensis. It is a pesticide, but it's a living organism, so it's natural, organic and safe to consume.

Before I got to the part where you clarified it's a pesticide, I thought you were talking about a Roman emperor

[Mountaineer]

Perhaps the left wing people are more willing to eat produce with insects, bird droppings, fungi, and assorted weed material. Just kidding - sort of! I worked for a large agricultural company that made herbicides, fungicides and insecticides. Extensive tests showed the vegtables and such produced using pesticides was higher quality and safer than that labeled natural or organic. But that was a few decades ago, perhaps things have changed since then. YMMV.

Yeah, the devil is in the details. Consider Bacillus Thuringiensis. It is a pesticide, but it's a living organism, so it's natural, organic and safe to consume.

Indeed! Bacteria yummy. Poop is also natural and organic. So is sea urchin sushi. Double yummy!

[joypog]

John Mackey has never been a 'leftist'

Another head scratcher for me....why are natural and organic grocers and health food stores generally associated with left wing? Wouldn't conservative food practices look more organically Amish than Monsanto and syngenta?

Right wing is more pro-business and anti-regulation? Just a guess; I don’t know the answer.

How do either of those stances have anything to do with Organic foods?

The only regulation I could imagine is labeling requirements, but that is a basic role of government in the marketplace.

[dualstow]

John Mackey has never been a 'leftist'

Another head scratcher for me....why are natural and organic grocers and health food stores generally associated with left wing? Wouldn't conservative food practices look more organically Amish than Monsanto and syngenta?

Right wing is more pro-business and anti-regulation? Just a guess; I don’t know the answer.

How do either of those stances have anything to do with Organic foods?

The only regulation I could imagine is labeling requirements, but that is a basic role of government in the marketplace.

While there are organic-oriented corporations — not least of them Whole Foods — I think there are many more organic mom n’ pop stores and more chemical ( food additives, pesticides ) corporations, Big Business. Not too many Mom ‘n’ Pop pesticide shops.

While meat grading is done by the USDA, there are other things to think about: hormones; cage-free, true free range, etc;; genetic modification, and what’s mentioned in the paragraph above.

I did say it was a guess.

[joypog]

Ahh makes sense. The monsanto mafia etc.

[doodle]

Definitely aware that organic pesticides and methods of growing are not necessarily healthier or safer. It's a mistake to think natural equals safer or better.

The point I'm trying to make is that it strikes me as strange that conservatives don't seem to want to conserve anything......in many ways they seem quite radical and progressive in their pursuit of economic growth and profit at all cost. I would think conservatives would be the party of slow and steady and most concerned with preserving the Earth's natural environment. They seem enamored with scientific advancements that change humans traditional relationship to our environment but not very interested in scientific studies pertaining to how these technologies impact and change our planet in perhaps negative ways. They seem to have a lot of risk tolerance when it comes to altering our planets systems when i would think they would be rather risk adverse towards that in general.

[I Shrugged]

This can be understood by the need for money to be elected.

[Kbg]

Definitely aware that organic pesticides and methods of growing are not necessarily healthier or safer. It's a mistake to think natural equals safer or better.

The point I'm trying to make is that it strikes me as strange that conservatives don't seem to want to conserve anything......in many ways they seem quite radical and progressive in their pursuit of economic growth and profit at all cost. I would think conservatives would be the party of slow and steady and most concerned with preserving the Earth's natural environment. They seem enamored with scientific advancements that change humans traditional relationship to our environment but not very interested in scientific studies pertaining to how these technologies impact and change our planet in perhaps negative ways. They seem to have a lot of risk tolerance when it comes to altering our planets systems when i would think they would be rather risk adverse towards that in general.

I think there is a big difference between "right wing" and "conservative" these days. They used to be synonymous, not anymore. I consider myself an actual conservative and most right wing folks have no idea what political conservativism is. I'm a bit of a tree hugger as well, worked for the Forest Service for a summer and have always enjoyed the outdoors. I think a significant problem with many of the mainstream environmental organizations is that they've been unbelievably unrealistic and uncompromising and because of that they've made a lot of enemies along the way...so as is typical the extremists on both sides win out and nothing beneficial happens. There does seem to be some rethinking though. I would say the "smart" environmentalists are beginning to understand that an environment is only truly protected when those who live on it and around it are bought in to the preservation of it.

Some of the hunting related conservation organizations have been very successful in putting some great habitat aside...with wide scale support.

[Xan]

A lot more could get done if single-purpose organizations were to stick to their purpose.

For example, an organization devoted to "let's keep this river clean" or "let's preserve this forest" doesn't need to have some statement about how great BIPOC transgender lesbianism is. That will chase away a ton of people who would otherwise be on board.

[Mountaineer]

The last several posts are particularly interesting, and I agree with most of the content.

One thing to add: I've never found a lot of coherence in the set of views that is considered conservative or liberal (or right/left, if you prefer) at a given time.

For example, I find the following list to be coherent and complementary:
1. Pro-life
2. Pro environment
3. Pro birth control

Neither of today's parties would support all three, so I'm left voting for the least-bad candidates. But as individuals, we are free to hold whatever combination of views we find to be morally defensible, without regard to the constraints of what's considered right or left at the moment.

I also strongly agree with Xan's point regarding focus: It's terribly counterproductive to mix other left views with environmentalism. Environmentalism is the most conservative view there is (going back to the garden, for us Bible thumpers). And it just makes sense; we don't pee in the swimming pool (our own, at least), because we're going to be hanging out in there. It's in all our interests to keep the environment clean.

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I also think the Biblical concept of stewardship is quite educational to think about. It implies that we are to take care of the creation AND use it wisely. It does not imply that we are to worship the creation (my view of how some of the more extreme green movement people do, i.e. put saving the planet over saving the people, or said another way, value the earth more than its human inhabitants). And for us Bible thumpers, it is essential to worship the Creator, not the creation. When we get it backwards all sorts of bad and unintended things happen to humans, animals, and the planet.

[dualstow]

Looks like Gibson’s Bakery is about to get paid.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gibson%27 ... in_College