The Secession Thread

[Mark Leavy]

Could anyone anywhere have handled it worst? This was not a crowd that was rampaging with weapons. Did anyone look at the videos? It looked like a bunch of us's there!

Capitol Police Chief, Steven Sund, resigned today.

[Mark Leavy]

Mark wrote:

I do think Blackwater would have handled it better than the capital police did.

I agree, which is why we need more training and higher standards for police. Blackwater Ops don't hire people with high school diplomas, give them a few months of classroom training, hand them a gun and expect them to do what they do.

After acknowledging that the private contractors are more qualified and have a better training system than the civil servants, why is your response to give more resources to the failing system of lessor trained, lessor qualified and ineptly managed civil servants?

In private industry, we divert resources towards the more capable and siphon off of the inept. That system seems to work well.

[doodle]

Mark wrote:

I do think Blackwater would have handled it better than the capital police did.

I agree, which is why we need more training and higher standards for police. Blackwater Ops don't hire people with high school diplomas, give them a few months of classroom training, hand them a gun and expect them to do what they do.

After acknowledging that the private contractors are more qualified and have a better training system than the civil servants, why is your response to give more resources to the failing system of lessor trained, lessor qualified and ineptly managed civil servants?

In private industry, we divert resources towards the more capable and siphon off of the inept. That system seems to work well.

I wouldn't necessarily have an issue with the government subcontracting out this type of work in certain situations . Government contracts out all manner of work. I assume this could work similarly. As long as they are accountable to general population and aren't some private mercenary force. See, in our previous discussion of this there would be no government...and that is where I part ways with you. If Trump's private security force decided to just throw me in Trump's private jail and then try me in his private court system because I'm critical of his shady business practices there is nothing I could do besides try to hire another private mercenary force to break me out of his jail. That is what you were advocating for in our previous discussion.

[doodle]

Mark wrote:

I do think Blackwater would have handled it better than the capital police did.

I agree, which is why we need more training and higher standards for police. Blackwater Ops don't hire people with high school diplomas, give them a few months of classroom training, hand them a gun and expect them to do what they do.

After acknowledging that the private contractors are more qualified and have a better training system than the civil servants, why is your response to give more resources to the failing system of lessor trained, lessor qualified and ineptly managed civil servants?

In private industry, we divert resources towards the more capable and siphon off of the inept. That system seems to work well.

I wouldn't necessarily have an issue with the government subcontracting out this type of work in certain situations . Government contracts out all manner of work. I assume this could work similarly. As long as they are accountable to general population and aren't some private mercenary force. See, in our previous discussion of this there would be no government...and that is where I part ways with you. If Trump's private security force decided to just throw me in Trump's private jail and then try me in his private court system because I'm critical of his shady business practices there is nothing I could do besides try to hire another private mercenary force to break me out of his jail. That is what you were advocating for in our previous discussion.

The govt can't 'subcontract' it out and get the same results as the private sector, bc the contract just gets inflated and goes to a political crony instead of the best qualified at the best price. It has to just be a competition based, fully private sector endeavor.

Except you can't have a private legal system. I'm not getting into a debate about that. Government needs to be held accountable for it's budgets. How that is incentivized I'm not sure, but we aren't going to have private militaries, private court systems, private independent police forces. So it would make a lot more sense to stay grounded in reality and figure out how to incentivize better more efficient government than thinking it's realistic to eliminate it entirely.

[Mark Leavy]

The Conch Republic shall Rise Again!

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Who's with me? Midnight at Sloppy Joe's. Bring water balloons, conch fritters and stale Cuban bread.
And Pilar rum. Don't forget the Pilar rum.

Invasions of 1995
On September 20, 1995, it was reported that the 478th Civil Affairs Battalion of the United States Army Reserve was to conduct a training exercise simulating an invasion of a foreign island. They were to land on Key West and conduct affairs as if the islanders were foreign. However, no one from the 478th notified Conch officials of the exercise.

Seeing another chance at publicity, Wardlow and the forces behind the 1982 Conch Republic secession mobilized the island for a full-scale war, sending the schooner Western Union out to attack an incoming Coast Guard Cutter with water balloons, conch fritters and stale Cuban bread, to which the Coast Guard responded with their fire hoses (quickly ending the battle), and protested to the Department of Defense for arranging this exercise without consulting the City of Key West. The leaders of the 478th issued an apology the next day, saying they "in no way meant to challenge or impugn the sovereignty of the Conch Republic", and submitted to a surrender ceremony on September 22.

[Maddy]

Oh, God, this is the same conspiracy that my buddy is emailing me about incessantly right now. It must be the latest thing in the alt-right world right now.

They were JUST ABOUT to FINALLY reveal all the evidence they've apparently BENN HOLDING back to the last minute to finally thwart Biden and give Donald his rightful second term.

But those DAMN Antifa agitators that were BUSED IN stormed the Capitol and screwed it all up.

That about right?

How about everyone (media, social media and many politicians) finally, in the last couple months of a lying shit show presidency finally have gotten sick of it and saw no negative effects of finally breaking ranks, calling a lie a lie, shutting down his feeds, whatever. Dude is going to be gone in 13 days. He's a short timer.

What is the purpose of posts like this? They offer absolutely nothing of substance, serving only to berate and belittle other members who have put forward an honest assessment of current events. You may disagree with that assessment, and nothing is stopping you from entering into the discussion, but to sit on the sidelines and mock, with generic epithets, the contributing members of this forum, is not well taken. It's offensive and disruptive, and its predictable effect is to curtail debate rather than promote it.

[flyingpylon]

Oh, God, this is the same conspiracy that my buddy is emailing me about incessantly right now. It must be the latest thing in the alt-right world right now.

They were JUST ABOUT to FINALLY reveal all the evidence they've apparently BENN HOLDING back to the last minute to finally thwart Biden and give Donald his rightful second term.

But those DAMN Antifa agitators that were BUSED IN stormed the Capitol and screwed it all up.

That about right?

How about everyone (media, social media and many politicians) finally, in the last couple months of a lying shit show presidency finally have gotten sick of it and saw no negative effects of finally breaking ranks, calling a lie a lie, shutting down his feeds, whatever. Dude is going to be gone in 13 days. He's a short timer.

What is the purpose of posts like this? They offer absolutely nothing of substance, serving only to berate and belittle other members who have put forward an honest assessment of current events. You may disagree with that assessment, and nothing is stopping you from entering into the discussion, but to sit on the sidelines and mock, with generic epithets, the contributing members of this forum, is not well taken. It's offensive and disruptive, and its predictable effect is to curtail debate rather than promote it.

Everyone’s posts are emotional rants. Some are just better disguised than others.

[Cortopassi]

Oh, God, this is the same conspiracy that my buddy is emailing me about incessantly right now. It must be the latest thing in the alt-right world right now.

They were JUST ABOUT to FINALLY reveal all the evidence they've apparently BENN HOLDING back to the last minute to finally thwart Biden and give Donald his rightful second term.

But those DAMN Antifa agitators that were BUSED IN stormed the Capitol and screwed it all up.

That about right?

How about everyone (media, social media and many politicians) finally, in the last couple months of a lying shit show presidency finally have gotten sick of it and saw no negative effects of finally breaking ranks, calling a lie a lie, shutting down his feeds, whatever. Dude is going to be gone in 13 days. He's a short timer.

What is the purpose of posts like this? They offer absolutely nothing of substance, serving only to berate and belittle other members who have put forward an honest assessment of current events. You may disagree with that assessment, and nothing is stopping you from entering into the discussion, but to sit on the sidelines and mock, with generic epithets, the contributing members of this forum, is not well taken. It's offensive and disruptive, and its predictable effect is to curtail debate rather than promote it.

Maddy, sorry.

This was written after some 40 back and forth emails with a friend of over 30 years who is of the same belief as you and others; that the election was stolen.

I hope over time we can all somehow merge our realities and get along again. It saddens me that because of recent events, there is friction between people who otherwise get along very well.

[Mountaineer]

Oh, God, this is the same conspiracy that my buddy is emailing me about incessantly right now. It must be the latest thing in the alt-right world right now.

They were JUST ABOUT to FINALLY reveal all the evidence they've apparently BENN HOLDING back to the last minute to finally thwart Biden and give Donald his rightful second term.

But those DAMN Antifa agitators that were BUSED IN stormed the Capitol and screwed it all up.

That about right?

How about everyone (media, social media and many politicians) finally, in the last couple months of a lying shit show presidency finally have gotten sick of it and saw no negative effects of finally breaking ranks, calling a lie a lie, shutting down his feeds, whatever. Dude is going to be gone in 13 days. He's a short timer.

What is the purpose of posts like this? They offer absolutely nothing of substance, serving only to berate and belittle other members who have put forward an honest assessment of current events. You may disagree with that assessment, and nothing is stopping you from entering into the discussion, but to sit on the sidelines and mock, with generic epithets, the contributing members of this forum, is not well taken. It's offensive and disruptive, and its predictable effect is to curtail debate rather than promote it.

Maddy, sorry.

This was written after some 40 back and forth emails with a friend of over 30 years who is of the same belief as you and others; that the election was stolen.

I hope over time we can all somehow merge our realities and get along again. It saddens me that because of recent events, there is friction between people who otherwise get along very well.

If it were not for friction, one would not be able to walk and vehicles would not be able to move ... kind of like our perpetual lockdown sponsored by many of the Dem cities and states.

[Mark Leavy]

The answer lies in the diminishing credibility of Nation States and the increasing dominance of multi-national corporations.
As always, Snow Crash lays out the details of the future. Franchulates.

Get ready for The Free and Sovereign State of Mark Leavy. Coming soon to the district formerly known as "Bunny Ranch", Nevada.
Taxes (tribute) shall be paid in Maplegram Danegeld.

CARSON CITY, Nev. (AP) — Planned legislation to establish new business areas in Nevada would allow technology companies to effectively form separate local governments.

Democratic Gov. Steve Sisolak announced a plan to launch so-called Innovation Zones in Nevada to jumpstart the state’s economy by attracting technology firms, Las Vegas Review-Journal reported Wednesday.

The zones would permit companies with large areas of land to form governments carrying the same authority as counties, including the ability to impose taxes, form school districts and courts and provide government services.