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Re: Dual Momentum GEM + HBPP a great combo, easy to test

Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2018 12:22 am
by ochotona
Pity of it was I was thinking about trading mid and end month, but laziness took over.

Re: Dual Momentum GEM + HBPP a great combo, easy to test

Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2018 5:15 pm
by ochotona
With only five trading days left, I don't see how GEM could possibly remain in equities. The S&P 500 would have to close above 2674 on December 31. It seems highly unlikely.

I am putting in limit orders to try to catch a bounce to the 2600 level.

Re: Dual Momentum GEM + HBPP a great combo, easy to test

Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2018 4:46 pm
by ochotona
No big bounce to 2674. Looks like I'm selling Monday. It has been a good run since 4/2016. My port will be about 10% gold, 12% cash, 5% equities, the rest 2-7 year T-Notes. Big bet placed on the US Treasury!

Re: Dual Momentum GEM + HBPP a great combo, easy to test

Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2018 1:55 am
by HappyMan
TREASURIES-U.S. 10-year yield hits 10-month lows amid Wall St volatility
https://www.reuters.com/article/usa-bon ... SL1N1YX139

Re: Dual Momentum GEM + HBPP a great combo, easy to test

Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2018 9:19 am
by thisisallen
It is impressive that you are adhering to your system at this time, that means, you are locking in a loss of about 8.5% in equities for this year (according to the stats at https://indexswingtrader.blogspot.com/p ... gnals.html). Have you done this previously? In other words, what gives you the confidence that the system can overcome a significant loss?
I am new at investing and obviously more risk adverse. I would greatly appreciate hearing any comments you would share.

Re: Dual Momentum GEM + HBPP a great combo, easy to test

Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2018 1:03 pm
by modeljc
ochotona wrote:
Fri Dec 28, 2018 4:46 pm
No big bounce to 2674. Looks like I'm selling Monday. It has been a good run since 4/2016. My port will be about 10% gold, 12% cash, 5% equities, the rest 2-7 year T-Notes. Big bet placed on the US Treasury!
Like to hear how many trades and what did you NET over a buy and hold 100% SPY. In other words GEM vs SPY for the 4/2016 to Monday.

Re: Dual Momentum GEM + HBPP a great combo, easy to test

Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2018 4:44 pm
by ochotona
modeljc wrote:
Sat Dec 29, 2018 1:03 pm
ochotona wrote:
Fri Dec 28, 2018 4:46 pm
No big bounce to 2674. Looks like I'm selling Monday. It has been a good run since 4/2016. My port will be about 10% gold, 12% cash, 5% equities, the rest 2-7 year T-Notes. Big bet placed on the US Treasury!
Like to hear how many trades and what did you NET over a buy and hold 100% SPY. In other words GEM vs SPY for the 4/2016 to Monday.
PortfolioVisualizeronly works in whole years, not months, for Dual Momentum

That said, from 1/1/16 to now GEM CAGR = 8.67%, for S&P500 = 13.07%. GEM was about like 65/35 portfolio.

I feel perfectly OK with that, the S&P 500 has been the leading market for years, but on a point-forward basis will it be? Easy to say in hindsight one should've stuck with the S&P 500, but recall how things were on 1/1/16; really rough, about like now. Also GEM popped out to bonds EARLY 2008. Would it have been right to stick to the S&P 500 then?

GEM will out-perform on a full market cycle basis, and reduce risk between now and retirement day.

Re: Dual Momentum GEM + HBPP a great combo, easy to test

Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2018 5:41 pm
by modeljc
ochotona wrote:
Sat Dec 29, 2018 4:44 pm
modeljc wrote:
Sat Dec 29, 2018 1:03 pm
ochotona wrote:
Fri Dec 28, 2018 4:46 pm
No big bounce to 2674. Looks like I'm selling Monday. It has been a good run since 4/2016. My port will be about 10% gold, 12% cash, 5% equities, the rest 2-7 year T-Notes. Big bet placed on the US Treasury!
Like to hear how many trades and what did you NET over a buy and hold 100% SPY. In other words GEM vs SPY for the 4/2016 to Monday.
PortfolioVisualizeronly works in whole years, not months, for Dual Momentum

That said, from 1/1/16 to now GEM CAGR = 8.67%, for S&P500 = 13.07%. GEM was about like 65/35 portfolio.

I feel perfectly OK with that, the S&P 500 has been the leading market for years, but on a point-forward basis will it be? Easy to say in hindsight one should've stuck with the S&P 500, but recall how things were on 1/1/16; really rough, about like now. Also GEM popped out to bonds EARLY 2008. Would it have been right to stick to the S&P 500 then?

GEM will out-perform on a full market cycle basis, and reduce risk between now and retirement day.
Thanks! I thought that was the answer but was unsure. How many trades did you make? Any whipsaws?
Also tax and commissions pay a part.

Re: Dual Momentum GEM + HBPP a great combo, easy to test

Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2018 5:53 pm
by ochotona
I traded from bonds to US equities in April 16, at some point the model switched to international, then back again, and out on Monday 12-31-18.

Four trades in three years. Commission free ETFs. Trading losses due to bid/ask spread? Unavoidable but it doesn't keep me up at night. I am more conscious of that now, using bigger more liquid ETFs.

Re: Dual Momentum GEM + HBPP a great combo, easy to test

Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2018 7:23 pm
by ochotona
MangoMan wrote:
Sat Dec 29, 2018 6:41 pm
ochotona wrote:
Sat Dec 29, 2018 4:44 pm

GEM will out-perform on a full market cycle basis, and reduce risk between now and retirement day.
So will the PP....
Exactly so, which is why blending the two strategies makes so much sense.

Re: Dual Momentum GEM + HBPP a great combo, easy to test

Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2018 6:54 pm
by ochotona
Dual Momentum GEM has issued a SELL signal today. I sold today, only have a 5.5% equity allocation now, will keep these.

Re: Dual Momentum GEM + HBPP a great combo, easy to test

Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2019 11:13 am
by ochotona
Alpharchitect current allocations

Zero exposure to domestic equities.
Zero exposure to international equities.
Zero exposure to REITs.
Zero exposure to commodities
Half exposure to long-term bonds.

Re: Dual Momentum GEM + HBPP a great combo, easy to test

Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2019 10:24 pm
by thisisallen
From Allocate Smartly:
(The site analyzes tactical asset allocation strategies)

“TAA’s performance to start the new year is likely to be extreme (either extremely good or extremely mediocre). As we show in the data dump below, TAA is now postured very defensively. The average allocation to defensive asset classes stands at 88%. Those are levels not seen since the 2008-09 Global Financial Crisis. If we see a strong market recovery to start the year, TAA is going to be left underperforming on the sidelines. But if recent market weakness continues, TAA is going to be riding high and dry. This remains a “hero or zero” moment for TAA.”

Re: Dual Momentum GEM + HBPP a great combo, easy to test

Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2019 2:54 am
by ochotona
thisisallen wrote:
Fri Jan 04, 2019 10:24 pm
From Allocate Smartly:
(The site analyzes tactical asset allocation strategies)

“TAA’s performance to start the new year is likely to be extreme (either extremely good or extremely mediocre). As we show in the data dump below, TAA is now postured very defensively. The average allocation to defensive asset classes stands at 88%. Those are levels not seen since the 2008-09 Global Financial Crisis. If we see a strong market recovery to start the year, TAA is going to be left underperforming on the sidelines. But if recent market weakness continues, TAA is going to be riding high and dry. This remains a “hero or zero” moment for TAA.”
It's not a hero or zero moment for me. I'm going to judge it on where I stand in 2026, retirement day.

Re: Dual Momentum GEM + HBPP a great combo, easy to test

Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2019 12:05 pm
by TrickPony
Looks like I sold low and will be buying back in high. Good recipe to end up in the poor house.
Kurt

Re: Dual Momentum GEM + HBPP a great combo, easy to test

Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2019 2:00 pm
by ochotona
TrickPony wrote:
Wed Jan 09, 2019 12:05 pm
Looks like I sold low and will be buying back in high. Good recipe to end up in the poor house.
The month is not over! Maybe we get whipsawed back... but maybe not. Who can predict the stock market over the next 30, 60, 90 days? No one!

You most assuredly don't know that you'll end up in the poor house over the full duration of your portfolio life. Decades of data suggests otherwise, and you can verify it independently.

GEM lags in bull markets, but hugely leads in bear markets. Everyone should know this. There are lots of trades that don't work out, but the ones that do hit big. It's the same thing for the HBPP, or any disciplined investment strategy for that matter. If you're not prepared for a bad trade, don't be in the financial markets. Buy a CD.

Re: Dual Momentum GEM + HBPP a great combo, easy to test

Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2019 9:28 pm
by HappyMan
ochotona wrote:
Wed Jan 09, 2019 2:00 pm

GEM lags in bull markets, but hugely leads in bear markets. Everyone should know this. There are lots of trades that don't work out, but the ones that do hit big. It's the same thing for the HBPP, or any disciplined investment strategy for that matter. If you're not prepared for a bad trade, don't be in the financial markets. Buy a CD.
This is a valuable piece of information. Thanks for sharing.

Re: Dual Momentum GEM + HBPP a great combo, easy to test

Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2019 6:56 am
by buddtholomew
ochotona wrote:
Wed Jan 09, 2019 2:00 pm
TrickPony wrote:
Wed Jan 09, 2019 12:05 pm
Looks like I sold low and will be buying back in high. Good recipe to end up in the poor house.
The month is not over! Maybe we get whipsawed back... but maybe not. Who can predict the stock market over the next 30, 60, 90 days? No one!

You most assuredly don't know that you'll end up in the poor house over the full duration of your portfolio life. Decades of data suggests otherwise, and you can verify it independently.

GEM lags in bull markets, but hugely leads in bear markets. Everyone should know this. There are lots of trades that don't work out, but the ones that do hit big. It's the same thing for the HBPP, or any disciplined investment strategy for that matter. If you're not prepared for a bad trade, don't be in the financial markets. Buy a CD.
Ocho, you’re playing poker with your financial future (all-in, all-out) and rationalizing the outcome to a PP investor that incurs a loss from time to time.

Re: Dual Momentum GEM + HBPP a great combo, easy to test

Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2019 10:06 am
by ochotona
buddtholomew wrote:
Thu Jan 10, 2019 6:56 am
Ocho, you’re playing poker with your financial future (all-in, all-out) and rationalizing the outcome to a PP investor that incurs a loss from time to time.
The data does not support that assertion.

Re: Dual Momentum GEM + HBPP a great combo, easy to test

Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2019 12:20 pm
by buddtholomew
ochotona wrote:
Fri Jan 11, 2019 10:06 am
buddtholomew wrote:
Thu Jan 10, 2019 6:56 am
Ocho, you’re playing poker with your financial future (all-in, all-out) and rationalizing the outcome to a PP investor that incurs a loss from time to time.
The data does not support that assertion.
Just curious, can you answer these questions?
What were your stocks down YTD when the sell signal was triggered? How much more have you lost since the sell signal through yesterday? I suspect the answer is 15-20%. Compare that figure to a buy and hold investment over the same period. Is it worth it?

Re: Dual Momentum GEM + HBPP a great combo, easy to test

Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2019 11:31 am
by ochotona
The sell signal was Dec 31. Judging one's strategy on a handful of days will never work no matter what the strategy. Think full market cycle.

Though if we get into a choppy whipsaw market, the thought of going to a buy and hold PP to wait out the vol storm seems appealing. PP has always been a great bear market allocation.

Re: Dual Momentum GEM + HBPP a great combo, easy to test

Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2019 11:23 am
by TrickPony
I was thinking of keeping 50% of my portfolio in a pure HB PP & 50% in the GEM model. Under "risk of times" you would be 75% in stocks and in bad times only 25% equity. With this setup you always have a little skin in the game.

Re: Dual Momentum GEM + HBPP a great combo, easy to test

Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2019 11:55 am
by ochotona
TrickPony wrote:
Sun Jan 13, 2019 11:23 am
I was thinking of keeping 50% of my portfolio in a pure HB PP & 50% in the GEM model. Under "risk of times" you would be 75% in stocks and in bad times only 25% equity. With this setup you always have a little skin in the game.
Exactly. Easy to live with. Follow the two models. Live your life.

Re: Dual Momentum GEM + HBPP a great combo, easy to test

Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2019 5:41 pm
by ochotona
I am migrating to the portfolio models in the Economic Pulse Newsletter, available by subscription only from Investingforaliving.us

These models are very similar to the Antonacci GEM models. But, I can't discuss them, because the content is copyrighted. I won't update the GEM signals any longer. Don't worry, you can always get a fresh signal for the GEM by clicking on this link.

Re: Dual Momentum GEM + HBPP a great combo, easy to test

Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2019 8:12 pm
by Kbg