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Post by mathjak107 » Mon Mar 16, 2020 1:20 pm

no , that narrowed this morning to where it went from down 2k to down like 200 bucks so i sold and will wait for another opportunity . so overall made a few thousand since friday. out of both for now .
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Post by mathjak107 » Tue Mar 17, 2020 4:49 am

early am trading shows both gold and TLT taking it on the chin again .

lets see later ... i may be back in again ...


tlt shows down almost 2% and gld down 2.30%
that all can change over the day ...


i think anyone who thought the pp was a low volatility portfolio may be thinking otherwise ... it may be less than 100% equities but i would think the " pucker factor " is more than the bill of goods they hoped they were buying .

this is why i say charts mean nothing .. back testing means little .

all that counts is what happens to your money personally and how full your fuel tanks are when it happens .

the best or worst of times means little if you have little invested yet .... what counts the most is what happens when investments have substantial amounts.

all the talk of correlation between assets and the economy go out the window when it is our money on the line and and assets don't stick to the script of what was or was supposed to happen .

gold has plunged 10.25% in a week not counting today , at a time we would all think would be its day in the sun . but things like margin calls , liquidity , leverage and machine selling , etc all alter the equation to a point we can't even say we are correlating to economic outcomes reliably anymore ... rates go to zero , a recession looks eminent and bonds get beat up . ..

it is getting to a point the best choice may be equities and cash and season to taste with the equities portion ..
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Post by Cortopassi » Tue Mar 17, 2020 9:21 am

I respectfully disagree somewhat. I don't know what % cash would make me get through the past couple weeks if I was otherwise only in stocks.

Current delta is about 35% down on S&P from high, gosh, only a couple weeks ago it seems. Same delta on my PP is 14.4% down. So less than half the drop.

I suppose I could mimic that result with 50% cash and 50% stocks. But the pp is also about holding individually volatile assets to be able to rebalance.

But I see your point.
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Post by mathjak107 » Tue Mar 17, 2020 10:27 am

i am sure there are pp users that are blown away by the pp falling 14% and are sick over it . there has to be simply because it is no different then the behavior we see in balanced funds .

morningstar and ibbotsen data shows investor behavior as a group is as bad in balanced portfolios as it is in growth funds ,just because those in them are more gun shy with lower pucker factor. so they get stressed out at lower trigger point ...so poor investor behavior shows the same effect ...

a 14% drop in a portfolio value is a lot , for any investor potentially if the dollars accumulated are high enough ... just 7% is a decade of 401k contributions at catch up for me
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Post by shekels » Tue Mar 17, 2020 11:51 am

mathjak107 wrote:
Tue Mar 17, 2020 4:49 am
early am trading shows both gold and TLT taking it on the chin again .

lets see later ... i may be back in again ...


tlt shows down almost 2% and gld down 2.30%
that all can change over the day ...


i think anyone who thought the pp was a low volatility portfolio may be thinking otherwise ... it may be less than 100% equities but i would think the " pucker factor " is more than the bill of goods they hoped they were buying .

this is why i say charts mean nothing .. back testing means little .

all that counts is what happens to your money personally and how full your fuel tanks are when it happens .

the best or worst of times means little if you have little invested yet .... what counts the most is what happens when investments have substantial amounts.

all the talk of correlation between assets and the economy go out the window when it is our money on the line and and assets don't stick to the script of what was or was supposed to happen .

gold has plunged 10.25% in a week not counting today , at a time we would all think would be its day in the sun . but things like margin calls , liquidity , leverage and machine selling , etc all alter the equation to a point we can't even say we are correlating to economic outcomes reliably anymore ... rates go to zero , a recession looks eminent and bonds get beat up . ..

it is getting to a point the best choice may be equities and cash and season to taste with the equities portion ..
i agree with you on many points. When the house is on Fire even the furniture get burned.

Listen to this last night. Central banks have not fixed the problems from 2008
https://www.macrovoices.com/podcasts-co ... elasticity
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Post by pmward » Tue Mar 17, 2020 11:57 am

shekels wrote:
Tue Mar 17, 2020 11:51 am
i agree with you on many points. When the house is on Fire even the furniture get burned.

Listen to this last night. Central banks have not fixed the problems from 2008
https://www.macrovoices.com/podcasts-co ... elasticity
Of course they haven't fixed the issues. They are simply painting over them. Long term, that is bullish for both bonds and (especially) gold. In the short term, there is definitely a liquidity squeeze going on.
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Post by shekels » Tue Mar 17, 2020 12:14 pm

pmward wrote:
Tue Mar 17, 2020 11:57 am
shekels wrote:
Tue Mar 17, 2020 11:51 am
i agree with you on many points. When the house is on Fire even the furniture get burned.

Listen to this last night. Central banks have not fixed the problems from 2008
https://www.macrovoices.com/podcasts-co ... elasticity
Of course they haven't fixed the issues. They are simply painting over them. Long term, that is bullish for both bonds and (especially) gold. In the short term, there is definitely a liquidity squeeze going on.
The Fed can paper over the issues. Until they can"t anymore.
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Post by pmward » Tue Mar 17, 2020 12:34 pm

shekels wrote:
Tue Mar 17, 2020 12:14 pm
pmward wrote:
Tue Mar 17, 2020 11:57 am
shekels wrote:
Tue Mar 17, 2020 11:51 am
i agree with you on many points. When the house is on Fire even the furniture get burned.

Listen to this last night. Central banks have not fixed the problems from 2008
https://www.macrovoices.com/podcasts-co ... elasticity
Of course they haven't fixed the issues. They are simply painting over them. Long term, that is bullish for both bonds and (especially) gold. In the short term, there is definitely a liquidity squeeze going on.
The Fed can paper over the issues. Until they can"t anymore.
This is very true. But the day they can't anymore is not today. I mean, in the short term chaos can still happen as liquidity remains tight. But the synchronization between massive amounts of monetary stimulus and fiscal stimulus here, as well as the synchronized stimulus being dropped globally, will paint over this crisis eventually as well. However... when this is in the rearview they will not be able to paint over the next crisis/recession unless we are able to actually go through a mean reversion event where interest rates can go back up. Also, if inflation starts to kick back up to 3%+, God help us all.
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Post by amdda01 » Tue Mar 17, 2020 2:01 pm

"i think first hint of a resolution the 8-9% drop we saw in gold and TLT last week will be small potatoes compared to the drop when the fear factor ebbs"

TLT -5.18%

Could this be the beginning?
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Post by mathjak107 » Tue Mar 17, 2020 2:09 pm

I am watching it now getting ready to buy again..it is down almost 3k from yesterday’s sale
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Post by amdda01 » Tue Mar 17, 2020 2:14 pm

What about your other stuff (USO, EEM, MCHI)?
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Re: mathjak's daytrading adventures

Post by mathjak107 » Tue Mar 17, 2020 2:19 pm

Long gone .......

All I have are my core fidelity funds ,and perhaps Tlt in a bit ..it is sinking like a turd in a punch bowl
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