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Re: PP humming along again

Post by dualstow » Sat Apr 09, 2016 10:35 am

Libertarian666 wrote: Instead, I put in a limit order slightly above the market price when buying and one slightly below the market price when selling. If things are normal, I get that price or better; otherwise I try again shortly afterwards.
I understand why you added, "If things are normal." I remember ~1999 something weird happened with a limit order. I called the brokerage house and was told that my limit price was only the trigger, but that the trade would still execute "at market."  :o Normally, that doesn't matter, but things can get screwy.
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Re: PP humming along again

Post by sophie » Sat Apr 09, 2016 12:03 pm

Libertarian666 wrote: I never put in market orders because I'm concerned about a flash crash (or the opposite), or just a really slow market where someone has a "stink bid" in far from the current price.

Instead, I put in a limit order slightly above the market price when buying and one slightly below the market price when selling. If things are normal, I get that price or better; otherwise I try again shortly afterwards.
That's exactly what I did.  It's not the first time it's backfired.  I have never put in a market order because the price fluctuations can be a bit unpredictable, but this was probably no worse than the occasional flash crash would be.
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Re: PP humming along again

Post by Libertarian666 » Sun Apr 10, 2016 8:34 pm

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Libertarian666 wrote: Instead, I put in a limit order slightly above the market price when buying and one slightly below the market price when selling. If things are normal, I get that price or better; otherwise I try again shortly afterwards.
I understand why you added, "If things are normal." I remember ~1999 something weird happened with a limit order. I called the brokerage house and was told that my limit price was only the trigger, but that the trade would still execute "at market."  :o Normally, that doesn't matter, but things can get screwy.
I believe that you were told a lie. There is an order type like that, but it is called "market if touched", not "limit". A limit order should not be executed unless you get the limit price or better.
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Re: PP humming along again

Post by Libertarian666 » Sun Apr 10, 2016 8:36 pm

sophie wrote:
Libertarian666 wrote: I never put in market orders because I'm concerned about a flash crash (or the opposite), or just a really slow market where someone has a "stink bid" in far from the current price.

Instead, I put in a limit order slightly above the market price when buying and one slightly below the market price when selling. If things are normal, I get that price or better; otherwise I try again shortly afterwards.
That's exactly what I did.  It's not the first time it's backfired.  I have never put in a market order because the price fluctuations can be a bit unpredictable, but this was probably no worse than the occasional flash crash would be.
If you put a limit bid in slightly above the last price, it should have been executed. Was there a big gap?
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Re: PP humming along again

Post by dualstow » Sun Apr 10, 2016 8:41 pm

Libertarian666 wrote: I believe that you were told a lie. There is an order type like that, but it is called "market if touched", not "limit". A limit order should not be executed unless you get the limit price or better.
That had always been my understanding, too.
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Re: PP humming along again

Post by sophie » Mon Apr 11, 2016 7:55 pm

Libertarian666 wrote:
sophie wrote:
Libertarian666 wrote: I never put in market orders because I'm concerned about a flash crash (or the opposite), or just a really slow market where someone has a "stink bid" in far from the current price.

Instead, I put in a limit order slightly above the market price when buying and one slightly below the market price when selling. If things are normal, I get that price or better; otherwise I try again shortly afterwards.
That's exactly what I did.  It's not the first time it's backfired.  I have never put in a market order because the price fluctuations can be a bit unpredictable, but this was probably no worse than the occasional flash crash would be.
If you put a limit bid in slightly above the last price, it should have been executed. Was there a big gap?
Fidelity doesn't let you put in limit bids to buy above the price at market close when it's after hours.  Not sure why.  So I always put it in for just under the current price.
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Re: PP humming along again

Post by Libertarian666 » Tue Apr 12, 2016 10:49 am

sophie wrote:
Libertarian666 wrote:
sophie wrote: That's exactly what I did.  It's not the first time it's backfired.  I have never put in a market order because the price fluctuations can be a bit unpredictable, but this was probably no worse than the occasional flash crash would be.
If you put a limit bid in slightly above the last price, it should have been executed. Was there a big gap?
Fidelity doesn't let you put in limit bids to buy above the price at market close when it's after hours.  Not sure why.  So I always put it in for just under the current price.
Why would you put orders in after hours? You are asking to get a bad price.
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Re: PP humming along again

Post by dualstow » Tue Apr 12, 2016 11:05 am

Probably a lot of people have this issue if they're at work and unable to trade.
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Re: PP humming along again

Post by dragoncar » Tue Apr 12, 2016 11:32 am

Libertarian666 wrote:
sophie wrote: Good for you, Budd.  If only I took my own advice!  I put in limit orders a few days ago for equal amounts of stocks, bonds and gold in a Roth account.  Guess which asset purchase went through, and which are still sitting there because the assets took off skyward and left my limit order in the dust.

Argh!!!

Next time I'll just put in market orders and call it a day.
I never put in market orders because I'm concerned about a flash crash (or the opposite), or just a really slow market where someone has a "stink bid" in far from the current price.

Instead, I put in a limit order slightly above the market price when buying and one slightly below the market price when selling. If things are normal, I get that price or better; otherwise I try again shortly afterwards.
I know little about the way the exchanges work, but I remember hearing something about limit orders being "visible" to counterparties making it somehow more likely that you get the exact limit price you set and not better... maybe something about your own own brokerage being allowed to execute on that limit price.  That said, it's a vague recollection and I still do the exact thing you all mention by setting a limit price slightly above/below the current market price.  If I'm not in a hurry I just use the current bid/ask.
dualstow wrote: Probably a lot of people have this issue if they're at work and unable to trade.
I'm actually running a free service these days to help people who have this problem. Just PM your brokerage login details to me, and the trades you want me to execute.  I'll handle it all for you!  No need to pay me, I'm just a really nice guy.
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Re: PP humming along again

Post by dualstow » Tue Apr 12, 2016 11:53 am

;) dragoncar,
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Re: PP humming along again

Post by Matthew19 » Tue Apr 12, 2016 2:39 pm

buddtholomew wrote:
Matthew19 wrote: I don't think HB was suggesting you invest your entire nest egg at once (lump sum or dollar cost average).
Harry suggested doing the PP with the money that you can't afford to lose. The rest can be variable portfolio, which for me is about 3%. The money that I could afford to lose was already lost  >:(
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Re: PP humming along again

Post by Libertarian666 » Tue Apr 12, 2016 10:27 pm

dualstow wrote: Probably a lot of people have this issue if they're at work and unable to trade.
I think most people could use their smartphones to place a trade during lunch hours.
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