The difference between GB and PP-with-SCV is 0.5% on PortfolioCharts. In the graph posted above, it was only 0.34%.
So apparently the conservative (15th percentile) calculation is in the advantage of the GB. Or maybe inflation affects the PP different than the GB.
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- Sun Dec 22, 2019 2:39 am
- Forum: Variable Portfolio Discussion
- Topic: Golden Butterfly Portfolio
- Replies: 539
- Views: 367460
- Sat Dec 21, 2019 7:50 am
- Forum: Variable Portfolio Discussion
- Topic: Golden Butterfly Portfolio
- Replies: 539
- Views: 367460
Re: Golden Butterfly Portfolio
When I tried the allocation on Portfolio Charts using 25% each SCV,LT,ST,GLD I got a BL-LT return of 5.3% vs 5.5% for the GB and 4.2% for the PP as you mentioned. Its quite interesting that the PP using SCV went from a BL-LT return ranking of 14 to 3 I think 25% each SCV,LT,BIL,GLD goes to 5.0%? I ...
- Sat Dec 21, 2019 3:32 am
- Forum: Variable Portfolio Discussion
- Topic: Golden Butterfly Portfolio
- Replies: 539
- Views: 367460
Re: Golden Butterfly Portfolio
For those interested in a prima facie comparison, here's an SCV tilted Permanent Portfolio (in blue) vs the Golden Butterfly (in red). How is the data you are using different from PortfolioCharts? Here the baseline LT return for the GB is 5.5% versus 4.2% for the PP: https://portfoliocharts.com/por...
- Thu Dec 19, 2019 2:38 am
- Forum: Variable Portfolio Discussion
- Topic: Golden Butterfly Portfolio
- Replies: 539
- Views: 367460
Re: Golden Butterfly Portfolio
I'm implementing it from an EU perspective. If anyone is interested in my list of funds, please let me know.
- Sun Dec 15, 2019 2:42 pm
- Forum: Bonds
- Topic: Buying and maintaining the LT bonds part of the PP
- Replies: 19
- Views: 8910
Re: Buying and maintaining the LT bonds part of the PP
Yes, I agree with that. If I lived in the US I'd go with TLT :) This is what comes closest in the EU: https://www.ishares.com/uk/individual/en/products/272122/ishares-euro-government-bond-20yr-target-duration-ucits-etf but has just a duration of 19 years. I think you might be confusing maturity and...
- Sun Dec 15, 2019 5:32 am
- Forum: Bonds
- Topic: Buying and maintaining the LT bonds part of the PP
- Replies: 19
- Views: 8910
Re: Buying and maintaining the LT bonds part of the PP
all you care about is the total return , not how the fund makes the sausage as they say . if that fund performs it's function in the model how the managers do it is up to them . if rates rise you will see the same losses in a bond ladder as the fund . after a while perfect becomes the enemy of &quo...
- Sun Dec 15, 2019 3:01 am
- Forum: Bonds
- Topic: Buying and maintaining the LT bonds part of the PP
- Replies: 19
- Views: 8910
Re: Buying and maintaining the LT bonds part of the PP
1. The only bond with 30-year maturity is https://www.boerse-berlin.com/index.php/Bonds?isin=DE0001102481. It has a 0% coupon and trades at a discount. Does all that matter? I think in theory it doesn't matter what the coupon is -- positive, zero, or negative. All that matters is the volatility. Th...
- Sun Dec 15, 2019 2:49 am
- Forum: Bonds
- Topic: Buying and maintaining the LT bonds part of the PP
- Replies: 19
- Views: 8910
Re: Buying and maintaining the LT bonds part of the PP
The logic here is flawed about if rates go up ...selling a bond that lost value because rates went up and losing money is no different then selling a losing stock and buying something you think is better .... a loss is a loss and it does not come back ...you just. Hope what you buy next be it anoth...
- Sat Dec 14, 2019 4:04 pm
- Forum: Bonds
- Topic: Buying and maintaining the LT bonds part of the PP
- Replies: 19
- Views: 8910
Re: Buying and maintaining the LT bonds part of the PP
I'm looking at German bunds because I live in the EU. There are no suitable LT Euro gov bond funds/ETFs available here with a duration above 20 yearsTlt works just fine unless you have zombie apocalypse visions
- Sat Dec 14, 2019 2:06 pm
- Forum: Bonds
- Topic: Buying and maintaining the LT bonds part of the PP
- Replies: 19
- Views: 8910
Re: Buying and maintaining the LT bonds part of the PP
zero coupon bonds can be far more volatile ... a 30 year zero coupon bond would be so volatile that it would out weigh everything else . a 10 year zero coupon bond can be as volatile as a 30 year conventional bond Yeah, I was thinking that as well, because of convexity right? So how can I pick a bo...
- Sat Dec 14, 2019 11:23 am
- Forum: Bonds
- Topic: Buying and maintaining the LT bonds part of the PP
- Replies: 19
- Views: 8910
Re: Buying and maintaining the LT bonds part of the PP
Personally, I wouldn't buy long term bonds with a 0% coupon. If the US ever gets that low I plan on buying whatever the longest duration is with a positive yield. The opinions on this seem divided here on this forum, but no one can really explain why this time is different. The coupon is not really...
- Sat Dec 14, 2019 4:16 am
- Forum: Bonds
- Topic: Buying and maintaining the LT bonds part of the PP
- Replies: 19
- Views: 8910
Buying and maintaining the LT bonds part of the PP
I live in the EU and am going to buy German "bunds" which are available (secondary market) through my broker. I have a few questions: 1. The only bond with 30-year maturity is https://www.boerse-berlin.com/index.php/Bonds?isin=DE0001102481. It has a 0% coupon and trades at a discount. Does...
- Sat Dec 14, 2019 3:35 am
- Forum: Permanent Portfolio Discussion
- Topic: Spreadsheets to Track PP
- Replies: 49
- Views: 144811
Re: Spreadsheets to Track PP
Hmm pity, I'll keep on looking then. Maybe try to build something simple myself.
- Fri Dec 13, 2019 10:22 am
- Forum: Permanent Portfolio Discussion
- Topic: Spreadsheets to Track PP
- Replies: 49
- Views: 144811
Re: Spreadsheets to Track PP
Hi! I have read through this thread and I can't get any of the sheets to work, see e.g. a screenshot below of an error in this sheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1y0P_B2faDnCu6QIUVoyQM1k8JTURHPXEeqKvmYjmEN4/edit#gid=17. Does anyone have the latest version of it? It looks awesome and would...
- Thu Dec 12, 2019 6:00 am
- Forum: Permanent Portfolio Discussion
- Topic: Reinvesting interests and dividends
- Replies: 4
- Views: 1877
Re: Reinvesting interests and dividends
It works the same for us except when the fund itself reinvests the dividend (accumulating fund). So we also got that weird (unfair) thing that when a fund pays a dividend, and I reinvest it a second later it still gets taxed as profit. So that is why I always thought that buying accumulating funds a...
- Thu Dec 12, 2019 5:12 am
- Forum: Permanent Portfolio Discussion
- Topic: Reinvesting interests and dividends
- Replies: 4
- Views: 1877
Re: Reinvesting interests and dividends
Yes indeedmathjak107 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 5:07 am so you are saying you are not taxed reinvesting dividends until you draw some out ?
- Thu Dec 12, 2019 4:57 am
- Forum: Permanent Portfolio Discussion
- Topic: Reinvesting interests and dividends
- Replies: 4
- Views: 1877
Reinvesting interests and dividends
I'm reading the PP book and just read this: You should turn off automatic reinvestments of fund interest and dividends. This feature automatically reinvests dividends and interest paid by your stock and bond funds back into the same fund. Automatic reinvestment of interest and dividends can make it ...