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by Mountaineer
Sat Sep 20, 2014 6:30 pm
Forum: Other Discussions
Topic: Figuring Out Religion
Replies: 4052
Views: 1455478

Re: Figuring Out Religion

I'm reminded of this C.S. Lewis quote: "Christianity, if false, is of no importance, and if true, of infinite importance. The only thing it cannot be is moderately important." For someone who doesn't believe, it's of no importance, and so hours of study is a waste of time.  If one actuall...
by Mountaineer
Sat Sep 20, 2014 9:56 am
Forum: Other Discussions
Topic: Figuring Out Religion
Replies: 4052
Views: 1455478

Re: Figuring Out Religion

I don't know about the rest of you, but it took me a lot of study and time to somewhat master chemistry, chemical engineering, calculus, penmanship, physics, spelling, how to be a fantastic husband  ;) etc. etc. etc. I think that's it, really. I'm not gonna study chemistry or physics if I can't get...
by Mountaineer
Sat Sep 20, 2014 9:45 am
Forum: Other Discussions
Topic: Figuring Out Religion
Replies: 4052
Views: 1455478

Re: Figuring Out Religion

Careful.. you are sounding more like a Gnostic/agnostic with every post moda  ;D I think gnostic and agnostic, though the words sound similar, are not similar ideas.  Gnostics believe(d) in special revelation, or gnosis.  Gnostics were generally anti-materialism, while agnostics (or atheists) gener...
by Mountaineer
Sat Sep 20, 2014 9:36 am
Forum: Other Discussions
Topic: Figuring Out Religion
Replies: 4052
Views: 1455478

Re: Figuring Out Religion

:D Part of the problem seems to arise from most of what I've seen from the faithful involves pointing skeptics at huge tomes written by theologians or hour-long lectures delivered by ministers, as though these sources are going to be remotely convincing to people who do not already support the foun...
by Mountaineer
Sat Sep 20, 2014 9:24 am
Forum: Other Discussions
Topic: hoarding money = poor economy
Replies: 37
Views: 12738

Re: hoarding money = poor economy

WildAboutHarry wrote:
Mountaineer wrote:Anyone want to make an offer on my Husqavarna (sp) chainsaw?
Sorry, I'm strictly a Stihl man.
Yes, me too.  I learned my lesson on that X!@#$%XX*()^% Husqavarna!  Never again will I buy a small gas powered tool that is not Stihl.

... Mountaineer
by Mountaineer
Sat Sep 20, 2014 7:15 am
Forum: Other Discussions
Topic: hoarding money = poor economy
Replies: 37
Views: 12738

Re: hoarding money = poor economy

Anyone want to make an offer on my Husqavarna (sp) chainsaw?  Only used a couple of hours.  Like new.  I'll throw in a new chain and some bar oil.  Oh, and you will have to determine how to make it start .....  ;)  Should have bought something at Harbor Freight.

... Mountaineer
by Mountaineer
Fri Sep 19, 2014 6:41 pm
Forum: Other Discussions
Topic: YouTube Junkie
Replies: 1231
Views: 648892

Re: YouTube Junkie

Gosso wrote: The magic of PVC pipes, "Pipe Guy" (10 minutes):

http://youtu.be/-0gED3rn2Tc
Gosso!  Great to see you.  Where have you been?  Missed your posts.

... Mountaineer
by Mountaineer
Fri Sep 19, 2014 4:46 pm
Forum: Other Discussions
Topic: Figuring Out Religion
Replies: 4052
Views: 1455478

Re: Figuring Out Religion

moda0306 wrote: Mountaineer,

I'm going to listen to those things...


And if you mean that "slavery" was essentially indentured servitude, you could have just said that :).
http://www.lutherquest.org/walther/arti ... c00135.htm

... Mountaineer
by Mountaineer
Fri Sep 19, 2014 4:15 pm
Forum: Other Discussions
Topic: hoarding money = poor economy
Replies: 37
Views: 12738

Re: hoarding money = poor economy

Also, Doodletopians tend to value function over form and look for objective ways to measure a products effectiveness short of trying to sway an unknowledgable public through advertising. Is the product of better quality and cheaper to produce than the current product.....no? Then immediately to the...
by Mountaineer
Fri Sep 19, 2014 4:12 pm
Forum: Other Discussions
Topic: hoarding money = poor economy
Replies: 37
Views: 12738

Re: hoarding money = poor economy

WildAboutHarry wrote:
I, for one, would not want to live in a world without sewage :)

But you need to go through all the crap to get the jewel.
I certainly hope you meant "a world without sewage sanitary collection, treatment, and appropriate jewel finding equipment:o

... Mountaineer
by Mountaineer
Fri Sep 19, 2014 4:03 pm
Forum: Other Discussions
Topic: Figuring Out Religion
Replies: 4052
Views: 1455478

Re: Figuring Out Religion

Mountaineer, To address one area of inconsistency/curiosity for me.... Do you have anything to say of the fact that the Bible tells us how we can treat slaves, and how long we can own them?  Do you believe that slavery is ok, then? I'm just asking this because if you believe the Bible is the 100% a...
by Mountaineer
Fri Sep 19, 2014 3:32 pm
Forum: Other Discussions
Topic: Figuring Out Religion
Replies: 4052
Views: 1455478

Re: Figuring Out Religion

I have tried for many pages to explain how to read Scripture and why, the difference between Law and Gospel, the two kingdoms, and how to go about "hearing" the Word.  I think I'm not getting through to you with that approach since many of your questions are repeats, so I'm going to sugges...
by Mountaineer
Fri Sep 19, 2014 11:35 am
Forum: Other Discussions
Topic: Figuring Out Religion
Replies: 4052
Views: 1455478

Re: Figuring Out Religion

PS and Moda, Thanks for giving it a whirl.  The important thing, from my perspective, is not to agree or disagree with what I gave as an example (I just whipped it together in a couple of minutes).  The important thing is to go through the process, with your answers to your questions, until you get ...
by Mountaineer
Fri Sep 19, 2014 9:46 am
Forum: Other Discussions
Topic: Figuring Out Religion
Replies: 4052
Views: 1455478

Re: Figuring Out Religion

Mountaineer, To me, the "why" of anything that doesn't contain motivations is essentially "how?"  For instance, if you say "why does a rock fall?"  I'd say "gravity."  If you said "how is it that a rock falls?"  I'd also say "gravity."  Wh...
by Mountaineer
Fri Sep 19, 2014 8:46 am
Forum: Other Discussions
Topic: Figuring Out Religion
Replies: 4052
Views: 1455478

Re: Figuring Out Religion

The only presuppositions I really think I'm making is that I exist on this earth, and there are an infinite number of other truths I could believe, so I have to accept certain systems as the best way of developing truths beyond that. The systems I try to use, logic and the scientific method, haven'...
by Mountaineer
Fri Sep 19, 2014 8:10 am
Forum: Other Discussions
Topic: YouTube Junkie
Replies: 1231
Views: 648892

Re: YouTube Junkie

dualstow wrote: Please enjoy this feel-good video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xbs6eMxa5ds
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... Mountaineer
by Mountaineer
Fri Sep 19, 2014 7:42 am
Forum: Other Discussions
Topic: Figuring Out Religion
Replies: 4052
Views: 1455478

Re: Figuring Out Religion

What you are missing, moda, is Revelation. Absolutely. Good folks on here like Mountaineer try to convince you of the power of what they think are reasonable arguments but Jesus said "Unless a man be born again he cannot see the Kingdom of God". Either something happens on the inside or i...
by Mountaineer
Thu Sep 18, 2014 7:50 pm
Forum: Other Discussions
Topic: Figuring Out Religion
Replies: 4052
Views: 1455478

Re: Figuring Out Religion

Satan's Angelic Disguises Excerpt: There’s something of a corrective needed to the popular view of Satan today.  He will try first of all to convince people to deny his existence.  After all, there’s no need to be on guard against something that’s not real.  In the words of French poet Charles Baud...
by Mountaineer
Thu Sep 18, 2014 4:02 pm
Forum: Other Discussions
Topic: Figuring Out Religion
Replies: 4052
Views: 1455478

Re: Figuring Out Religion

What you are missing, moda, is Revelation. I agree with PS.  Moda, in my opinion you are missing "revelation" and are not receptive to deeply understanding what that means.  I also sense that you try to use the Scientific Method (or logic, if you prefer) outside the boundaries for which i...
by Mountaineer
Wed Sep 17, 2014 4:41 pm
Forum: Other Discussions
Topic: Figuring Out Religion
Replies: 4052
Views: 1455478

Re: Figuring Out Religion

You have definitly been hanging with Christians that have a different understanding than I do.  For us LCMS dudes, Scripture interprets Scripture, not me interpreting it.  So, with that understanding, you are arguing with God, not me.  I just try, unsuccessfully much or most of the time, to tell yo...
by Mountaineer
Wed Sep 17, 2014 3:11 pm
Forum: Other Discussions
Topic: Figuring Out Religion
Replies: 4052
Views: 1455478

Re: Figuring Out Religion

You have definitly been hanging with Christians that have a different understanding than I do.  For us LCMS dudes, Scripture interprets Scripture, not me interpreting it.  So, with that understanding, you are arguing with God, not me.  I just try, unsuccessfully much or most of the time, to tell you...
by Mountaineer
Wed Sep 17, 2014 2:26 pm
Forum: Other Discussions
Topic: Figuring Out Religion
Replies: 4052
Views: 1455478

Re: Figuring Out Religion

BTW, Mountaineer... I really hope my banter about who we allow in isn't rubbing you the wrong way.  If I'm going to hell then I'm going to hell.  Nothing wrong with truth-telling, and if I AM going to hell, I should be grateful to folks like you trying your darnedest to prevent it :). I just think ...
by Mountaineer
Wed Sep 17, 2014 1:49 pm
Forum: Other Discussions
Topic: Stephen Walt on U.S. Foreign Policy
Replies: 25
Views: 5920

Re: Stephen Walt on U.S. Foreign Policy

"Do you believe that humans who do not share your religious beliefs are necessarily going to spend the afterlife in eternal punishment, suffering, or discomfort?" If they answer that question "Yes."  No thank you.  You don't get to come here. Not that I don't want you here, Moun...
by Mountaineer
Wed Sep 17, 2014 1:46 pm
Forum: Other Discussions
Topic: When the cops are the criminals
Replies: 293
Views: 116423

Re: When the cops are the criminals

This sounds similar to "Police Action" run wild. It has come out how the government forced Yahoo to turn over online data to the NSA surveillance program known as PRISM.  A “civil contempt”? ruling would have fined the company $250,000 a day.  Every week Yahoo refused to comply the fine wo...
by Mountaineer
Wed Sep 17, 2014 12:31 pm
Forum: Other Discussions
Topic: Stephen Walt on U.S. Foreign Policy
Replies: 25
Views: 5920

Re: Stephen Walt on U.S. Foreign Policy

Haha... well I do love me some slick Willy.  I'll defend his honor. (phrasing) Defend the "Black Hawk" downs with a Tomahawk?  :o ... Mountaineer I do believe anything short of total war is inherently nebulous in terms of the moral and functional implications of action or inaction.  I rea...