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by jafs
Tue Jun 07, 2016 7:32 am
Forum: Other Discussions
Topic: Citizen's Dividend
Replies: 169
Views: 59454

Re: Citizen's Dividend

As far as "utopian" goes, I'd say that many of you are much more utopian in outlook than I am. I see the flaws in government, but also in the private sector. And, I'd like to improve both - that doesn't mean I think there are perfect solutions. As I've already said - all systems have draw...
by jafs
Tue Jun 07, 2016 7:24 am
Forum: Other Discussions
Topic: Citizen's Dividend
Replies: 169
Views: 59454

Re: Citizen's Dividend

Am I being silly not wanting to go on Medicaid? I've heard horror stories, but if it's a secret gift horse, then I'm a lot closer to FI than I thought. :P It galls me that there's no option, though. Yes, that's exactly what you should do, given that you're a well-educated, working professional with...
by jafs
Tue Jun 07, 2016 7:21 am
Forum: Other Discussions
Topic: Citizen's Dividend
Replies: 169
Views: 59454

Re: Citizen's Dividend

Am I being silly not wanting to go on Medicaid? I've heard horror stories, but if it's a secret gift horse, then I'm a lot closer to FI than I thought. :P It galls me that there's no option, though. Yes, that's exactly what you should do, given that you're a well-educated, working professional with...
by jafs
Mon Jun 06, 2016 4:04 pm
Forum: Other Discussions
Topic: Citizen's Dividend
Replies: 169
Views: 59454

Re: Citizen's Dividend

If the goal is to keep people out of poverty, we'd really have to use different figures for different areas, and that makes things more complicated. Yes, its a problem, but in this age of computing power where we can track literally hundreds of different sales tax rates for every locality, its not ...
by jafs
Mon Jun 06, 2016 4:03 pm
Forum: Other Discussions
Topic: Citizen's Dividend
Replies: 169
Views: 59454

Re: Citizen's Dividend

So far, nobody has said they'd be more productive if they got a cd.

They'd either improve their situation, sometimes with luxury items, invest money, quit their job, retire earlier, save more money, etc. Not one person has said they'd work more or produce more.
by jafs
Mon Jun 06, 2016 3:57 pm
Forum: Other Discussions
Topic: Citizen's Dividend
Replies: 169
Views: 59454

Re: Citizen's Dividend

Why has nobody responded to my questions about WiseOne's tax/neutrality idea? I hope you at least read it - it would mean that not only aren't millionaires getting a CD, they're actually getting a net loss of income through higher taxes to fund the program.
by jafs
Mon Jun 06, 2016 3:56 pm
Forum: Other Discussions
Topic: Citizen's Dividend
Replies: 169
Views: 59454

Re: Citizen's Dividend

As far as "utopian" goes, I'd say that many of you are much more utopian in outlook than I am. I see the flaws in government, but also in the private sector. And, I'd like to improve both - that doesn't mean I think there are perfect solutions. As I've already said - all systems have drawb...
by jafs
Mon Jun 06, 2016 3:51 pm
Forum: Other Discussions
Topic: Citizen's Dividend
Replies: 169
Views: 59454

Re: Citizen's Dividend

Am I being silly not wanting to go on Medicaid? I've heard horror stories, but if it's a secret gift horse, then I'm a lot closer to FI than I thought. :P It galls me that there's no option, though. Yes, that's exactly what you should do, given that you're a well-educated, working professional with...
by jafs
Mon Jun 06, 2016 3:49 pm
Forum: Other Discussions
Topic: Citizen's Dividend
Replies: 169
Views: 59454

Re: Citizen's Dividend

Every time I've looked at ACA plans I've found very good ones with reasonable premiums and cost-sharing stuff as well. You have to be between 100-400% of the federal poverty level, with good subsidies at the lower end of that. The "silver" plan is the best, with cost sharing as well as pr...
by jafs
Mon Jun 06, 2016 3:47 pm
Forum: Other Discussions
Topic: Citizen's Dividend
Replies: 169
Views: 59454

Re: Citizen's Dividend

So this would help PS do things he could do already, but isn't doing. And, given the fact that he could easily do them now, in his own words, he doesn't need this program. He needs this program in terms of improving his living standard because the cost of spending his current savings is especially ...
by jafs
Mon Jun 06, 2016 11:53 am
Forum: Other Discussions
Topic: Citizen's Dividend
Replies: 169
Views: 59454

Re: Citizen's Dividend

The part I agree with here is that our current system is too complicated/bureaucratic, and that there are some bad incentives in it, ones that discourage what we want to encourage, and vice versa. A cd would simplify the system, for sure. But so would a mi program - just set the minimum income leve...
by jafs
Mon Jun 06, 2016 10:25 am
Forum: Other Discussions
Topic: Citizen's Dividend
Replies: 169
Views: 59454

Re: Citizen's Dividend

Actually, if the cd isn't taxed, and it eliminates/replaces SS, we'd do better with it. We could retire sooner, not have to subsidize our retirement until SS kicks in, pay the same or maybe a bit less for health care with an ACA plan (than for Medicare), and wind up with more income in retirement. I...
by jafs
Mon Jun 06, 2016 10:18 am
Forum: Other Discussions
Topic: Citizen's Dividend
Replies: 169
Views: 59454

Re: Citizen's Dividend

I understand the idea. But I just don't think it works better than a minimum income program, for one. So far, it might help you fix up your house, or quit your job. For me, it would probably have little effect and, if there were one, it might mean we'd just retire sooner (assuming the ACA is still a...
by jafs
Mon Jun 06, 2016 9:32 am
Forum: Other Discussions
Topic: Citizen's Dividend
Replies: 169
Views: 59454

Re: Citizen's Dividend

A Swiss person I read a quote from (could have been an official of some sort) said about the cd program - "If you pay people to do nothing, they'll do nothing".

It sounds like concern about disincentivizing people from working was a big part of why this got voted down there.
by jafs
Mon Jun 06, 2016 9:29 am
Forum: Other Discussions
Topic: Citizen's Dividend
Replies: 169
Views: 59454

Re: Citizen's Dividend

So this would help PS do things he could do already, but isn't doing. And, given the fact that he could easily do them now, in his own words, he doesn't need this program. Anybody else? Every time I've looked at ACA plans I've found very good ones with reasonable premiums and cost-sharing stuff as w...
by jafs
Mon Jun 06, 2016 8:44 am
Forum: Other Discussions
Topic: Citizen's Dividend
Replies: 169
Views: 59454

Re: Citizen's Dividend

Any federal program that's simple will overlook regional differences, and thus be a bit less satisfying. This is true of cd, mi, minimum wage, poverty level calculations, etc. $1000/month generates vastly different purchasing power in NYC and in rural Mississippi, to use an obvious example. If the g...
by jafs
Mon Jun 06, 2016 8:33 am
Forum: Other Discussions
Topic: Citizen's Dividend
Replies: 169
Views: 59454

Re: Citizen's Dividend

The part I agree with here is that our current system is too complicated/bureaucratic, and that there are some bad incentives in it, ones that discourage what we want to encourage, and vice versa. A cd would simplify the system, for sure. But so would a mi program - just set the minimum income level...
by jafs
Mon Jun 06, 2016 6:18 am
Forum: Other Discussions
Topic: Citizen's Dividend
Replies: 169
Views: 59454

Re: Citizen's Dividend

A question for citizen's dividend folks. Let's assume that it's implemented, and everybody gets $15K/yr. What would you do if you got that? I'd just put it in the bank or invest it - it wouldn't change anything else for me. Or I might give some to charity as well. In some circumstances, it might res...
by jafs
Mon Jun 06, 2016 6:15 am
Forum: Other Discussions
Topic: Citizen's Dividend
Replies: 169
Views: 59454

Re: Citizen's Dividend

I've already answered your comments about disincentives by pointing out that a cd of $15K/yr is equally disincentivizing as a mi program of $15K/yr. You failed to respond to that point at all. It's false. If I have a citizens' dividend of $15K, and I want to start a business, or just go out and ear...
by jafs
Sun Jun 05, 2016 7:03 pm
Forum: Bonds
Topic: The Bond Dream Room
Replies: 554
Views: 371786

Re: The Bond Dream Room

You could also just set them to re-balance every year.

In some ways that's the most "agnostic" approach - figuring we have no idea how things will do next year, regardless of how they've gone this year.
by jafs
Sun Jun 05, 2016 3:41 pm
Forum: Other Discussions
Topic: Citizen's Dividend
Replies: 169
Views: 59454

Re: Citizen's Dividend

Hey, I figured it out.

But, nobody offered to help :(
by jafs
Sun Jun 05, 2016 3:18 pm
Forum: Other Discussions
Topic: Citizen's Dividend
Replies: 169
Views: 59454

Re: Citizen's Dividend

I would probably change the SS system to work in a similar fashion. That would mean if we didn't need it, we wouldn't get it, and that would be fine with me. As it turns out, we'll probably need it, although I've played with the idea of not taking it if that's feasible. I've already answered your co...
by jafs
Sun Jun 05, 2016 3:03 pm
Forum: Other Discussions
Topic: Citizen's Dividend
Replies: 169
Views: 59454

Re: Citizen's Dividend

Ok - I found a picture I like.

Now I just need to know how to make it my avatar.
by jafs
Sun Jun 05, 2016 2:41 pm
Forum: Other Discussions
Topic: Citizen's Dividend
Replies: 169
Views: 59454

Re: Citizen's Dividend

I can't just be a mystery, wrapped in an engima? Maybe a little embarrassing, but I have no idea how to go about uploading a picture, or where to find a good one. I play chess often, so perhaps a chess-related picture would be good. Or something musical. Anybody want to give me a little tutorial on ...
by jafs
Sun Jun 05, 2016 8:51 am
Forum: Other Discussions
Topic: Citizen's Dividend
Replies: 169
Views: 59454

Re: Citizen's Dividend

Thanks.

I like yours a lot :D

Well, there's no gallery available to choose from - maybe I'll just leave it for now.